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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 110 points 5 days ago

I've never heard of a single person who has regretted wearing a helmet, yet people are still incredibly resistant to the idea.

I just don't get it.

I spoke with a guy, strong cycling supporter with influence in our local government. He made it clear that he views helmets are unnecessary "with safe cycling infrastructure."

While I get the logic, the reality is that a large number of crashes (reported as half) are single bike accidents with no involvement of another vehicle (i.e. car).

This is why, even when you look at the underreported stats from the Netherlands, cyclists have very high rates of head injuries. They don't wear helmets, have the gold-standard cycling infrastructure, yet crack their head open.

The point is, don't be stupid and just wear a damn helmet.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

One of the most absurd things I've gotten heavily downvoted for on reddit is for saying people should wear helmets no matter how good the cycling infrastructure is. Not that it should be mandated by law, but that it's simply the wise thing to do. Then people are like 'wELL I gUeSs YoU ShOUld THeN wEaR a HElmEt whiLE walKinG tOo'

Fine, then don't wear a helmet. It's not my head.

I didn't use to wear one when I was a kid either but nowdays it feels like driving without a seatbelt. Hell, I might even just take my bike for a test drive around the block after having done some adjustments on it and I still go grab my helmet first.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago

Not that it should be mandated by law, but that it's simply the wise thing to do. Then people are like 'wELL I gUeSs YoU ShOUld THeN wEaR a HElmEt whiLE walKinG tOo

I don't think people really understand just how devastating head injuries can be, and just how easy it is to get a tbi when on a surface as hard as concrete.

Even when doing something as simple as walking/running on wet concrete is deceptively dangerous. Every summer the trauma ward I work in has to deal with dozens of kids acquiring life altering tbi for doing something as mundane as running near a pool.

The ironic thing about bikers not wanting to wear helmets is that if you're not lucky, you'll end up being fit with a soft shell one at the hospital after you've bashed your head anyways. I've fit a bunch of people with orthopedic helmets for not wearing helmets over the years.

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[-] solarvector@lemmy.zip 21 points 5 days ago

I don't get their logic either. You can clip a rock and fall of your bicycle pretty easily at speed. TBI is no joke.

[-] AJ1@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

safe cycling infrastructure does nothing to prevent you from having a sudden equipment failure and finding yourself going over the bars face-first, or from just being an uncoordinated idiot who wipes out for no reason and gets a closed head injury. I had a crank fail on my bike once, snapped in half in full sprint and I wiped badly. helmet did its job and I was thankful to have it, because there's no predicting stuff like that

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[-] dafo@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

I had only fallen once with my bike as an adult. I live in Sweden and our cycling infrastructure in my town is g r e a t. The problem was that it was spring, so all the gravel/sand which had been spread during the winter was now on bare asphalt. I turned left and while the wheel turned, the bike did not.

There ain't much good infrastructure can do about gravel on asphalt.

Thankfully I didn't hit my head as it would've surely been a pretty bad accident. Instead I just hit every single boney part on my left side.

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[-] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 79 points 5 days ago
  • Dress for the slide, not for the ride
  • ATGATT
  • Gray-haired riders don't get that way from luck

What others did I miss?

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 39 points 5 days ago
  • If your helmet doesn't have a chin bar (full or modular), you don't care about your chin, teeth, or nose.
  • wrt ATGATT, most of that gear will reduce or avoid injury. A helmet will prevent your death.
  • If you don't wear earplugs - even with a helmet on - enjoy your tinnitus and/or hearing loss. This is from wind noise, not engine noise.
[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 5 days ago

A friend of mine crashed her motorbike a few years ago and her face bounced off the road. Her chin bar flexed inwards so much that it broke her nose and chipped a front tooth.

She was furious that the helmet didn't protect her properly, until her husband who was riding behind her pointed out that she essentially landed face first at over 60mph, and that without the helmet, her face would have taken the full force of the landing.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 33 points 5 days ago

Yeah, that was probably a "anything less than a chin bar and you'd be super dead" incident.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago

If your helmet doesn’t have a chin bar (full or modular)

Modular helmets will not protect your face adequately in a crash. Even with a chin bar, the face part tends to open up when you hit the ground. If you value your face, get a good full-face helmet. I have an AGV K1; it's good, fairly lightweight, acceptably ventilated, and usually under $200. You don't need to get a Shoei or an Arai; any full-face helmet sold on e.g. Revzilla is going to be fine, as long as it fits.

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[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Just remember that ATGATT means helmet, jacket, pants, gloves, and boots, and all of them have to be intended and rated for riding.

Most "riding" jeans are trash, not worth the money you pay; they'll have a little bit of Kevlar lining, and maybe a hint of padding at the knees, but that's not going to help you significantly. Do yourself a solid and get some real riding pants that zip to your jacket, like RevIt!, or Dianese.

Leather costs more up front, and less in the long run. Textile apparel is usually destroyed in a crash, but leather is usually good for multiple drops. I've had four crashes (none hugely significant; partial tear to a rotator cuff on the last one); my jacket and pants look rough, but they're still perfectly fine for protection.

Pants and jacket should fit fairly closely; you don't want them moving around when you crash. Loose is not your friend in a crash. They should have CE1 or CE2 inserts at the knees, hips, coccyx, back, shoulders, and elbows. You may need to buy the inserts separately.

You can get pants and jackets used safely, as long as they're in good condition.

Get gloves with palm sliders. Replace gloves about annually if you put more than 5000 miles on your bike each year; the palms will wear thin, and protect less as they get used. Gauntlets will protect your wrists; I suggest them over shorties. How much are your hands worth to you? Spend that much on gloves. I've burned through multiple pairs of Alpinestars Supertech and Knox Handroid gloves, and I'm currently using Five RFX1; these are daily ride gloves for me. (Supertech gloves are nice, except the palm slider is aramid fabric instead of TPU. Is $500 a lot for gloves? Sure. It's about $15,000 less than reconstructive hand surgery though.)

Boots should protect your ankles; they should have some kind of armored cup there if they're leather.

Do not accept anything less than a full-face helmet. Just, don't. Never, ever, ever buy a used helmet. Never, ever, ever buy a helmet that isn't from a recognized brand, and from a reputable source. (Amazon is not a reputable source.) If a helmet seems too cheap to be true, do not buy it. Helmets are one-crash only; if your head touches the ground, replace the helmet.

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[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 4 days ago

I would wear a full face one on my e-bike, but I'm worried about looking like a dork.

I guess an alive dork is better than a dead dork, huh?

[-] Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

If you're riding a european pedelec (pedal assist) up to 25km/h, bike helmet should be fine, if you're riding electric motorcycle (25km/h+, accelerator) then maybe motorcycle helmet is more appropriate.

[-] pickman_model@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago

Or a faceless dork.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

You won't look like a dork when road rash makes your face look like Voldemort made out with a cheese grater.

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[-] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 46 points 5 days ago

Please don't forgot to wear a helmet when riding on 4 wheelers or ATVs. I've seen far too many life changing injuries on those damn things. I forced my own brother to get a good helmet when he had one and it saved his life. He flipped the damn thing on top of him and only came out with a shattered wrist. His helmet cracked like an egg but his head was fine.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 32 points 5 days ago

Please don't forgot to wear a helmet when riding on 4 wheelers or ATVs.

Also, just because it claims to be an all terrain vehicle doesn't make it true. I would avoid riding these in any wooded areas or on sloped or rough terrain while riding solo.

I work in a trauma ward that has an ATV season. I feel like the stigma of wearing helmets has reduced over the years, as I'm having to put less people in orthopedic helmets every year. However, there are just as many people getting crushed by their vehicles.

4 wheelers have a nasty habit of rolling and pinning their riders. If this happens and you're alone it can easily cripple or kill you. One of the more common severe injuries is having your leg pinned against the motor or exhaust and having your leg or arm slowly cooked to the point where they need to be amputated.

[-] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

I met a guy in middle school that got pinned under his dad's 4-Wheeler. If he'd not been alone, he could have easily been pulled out, but he was suffocated by the 4-wheeler. No traumatic injuries at all. Just slowly ran out of air.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately, that's not an uncommon experience. For some reason a lot of parents who normally wouldn't leave their kids unsupervised with a 700 pound piece of industrial machinery, are completely okay with letting them operate and drive a 700 pound piece of equipment with virtually no safety features.

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[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 30 points 5 days ago

We have laws which force people to wear helmets, and wear seat belts. These are common sense laws to prevent people from killing themselves. Nobody bats an eye.

This is the example I'd use during covid when people were complaining about masks being against their rights, even when it would protect them from being sick.

My guy, you're someone who wouldn't wear a helmet if the laws had only just changed to enforce them. You're a hazard to yourself.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

There are still plenty of idiots who make a stink about helmets and seat belts unfortunately.

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 2 points 2 days ago

I'm confident the overlap between seatbelt and mask wearing is >99%

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 days ago

There are people who try to bypass those also, or cheat em. Usually for some personal comfort. One of my sisters was like this. She wasn't that tall, and complained the seat belt shoulder part was uncomfortable, so she'd either not wear it or put that part behind her.

Then someone swung into her lane causing her to rear end em (she was in a moving normal speed lane and they were backed up in an exit lane). Without the seat belt there, what instead slowed her movement forward was the steering wheel shattering her jaw. She's fine now, but a painful lesson that included reconstructive surgery.

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 8 points 4 days ago

And does she wear a seat belt now?

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[-] Assman@sh.itjust.works 41 points 5 days ago

Eat crayons, don't become crayons

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 days ago

Found the marine.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

Fuck anyone who advocates against wearing a full-faced helmet. Fuck modular too, the kind moto cops wear that pop open... Cuz guess when they'll unfortunately pop open?

There's a fortnine video advocating against wearing armor, that kevlar alone would take care of abrasion injuries etc. You know what I like when I crash? Not getting pebbles embedded into my elbow or knee flesh.

Have fun, get there, and get old.

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 22 points 5 days ago

Former Motorcyclist here.

The guy I used to ride with died! Collided with a car. He flew off his bike and face first into a pole.

I was never friendly with him. He called me a pussy for wearing a full-faced helmet when we rode, while he was wearing a half-helmet that was like a WW2 replica on his harley. I was the youngest on the ride and he was lecturing me trying to teach me "his ways".

Well, he's a meat crayon now.

The people who are telling you to wear protection are still alive.

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[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My friend had a minor head injury and his doctor advised him to wear a full face helmet whilst riding his bicycle. The cops pulled him over and he had to show them the note the doctor had written about it. I guess the concern is that if your face is obscured they can't track you down if you commit a crime? Still seems pretty dumb to me.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 25 points 5 days ago

Cops are just nosy. No justification. They don't like people who look weird. That's how they're trained to think.

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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I know this. I used to ride. Got hit by a car swiping three lanes across traffic. They didn't care to look. My head whacked the pavement hard. Got road rash and a concussion. The helmet saved my life though.

Weirdly had PTSD after trying to ride again and dropped it like a bad habit. Helmets save lives, on bicycles too y'all. Just shocking to see how many folks on both motorcycles and bicycles that don't wear a helmet.

[-] lethargic_lemming@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

You kidding me? Not weird to have PTSD at all. Your conscious brain might have shrugged it off but your body remembers the whole "I could have died" feeling.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago

Yeah, that's a common experience after bad motorcycle crashes. Glad you're still with us!

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago
[-] Damage@feddit.it 25 points 5 days ago

Yeah, got one just like that.

Helmet means full face, fuck everything else.

[-] odelik@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A few years back I was training to ride the Seattle to Portland in the 1-day format. Had a training regimen I put together and was steadily progressing and building endurance and strength.

One day I go on a training ride on a very cold and rainy December day in Seattle. Decide to take the trail that rides through the train yard then pedal up to the docks.

As I'm riding along the trail there's this segment that crosses some train tracks at an angle. The temperature is also colder here next to the shore than by my home and the rain here is mixed with snow.

Having ridden this segment dozens if not a couple hundred times in rain or shine, I didn't think too much of it. However the added mix of snow and colder temps caused those rails to become the slickest surface known to man.

I come up to the gentle curve at speed, my front tire hits the rail of the track and my bike goes sideways while I continue moving forward. I land in puddle on my right side and then the water acts like a slip-N-slide on the blacktop and I proceed to slide along the trail at speed and slam head first, which deflected to the side, then followed up to my right shoulder, into a bollard.

I was wearing a helmet when this happened and I still laid dazed in that cold ass puddle for a good 2-3 minutes before standing up, pulling myself together, and called my wife to pick me up and take me to the ER to get the confirmation that I had a concussion and to rule out anything worse. My shoulder was also bruised and sore for a good week.

Even with the helmet, I had memory issues for 6-10 months.

If I weren't wearing a helmet I'm not sure I'd be here telling this story. If I were to have survived I would have had some serious trauma and recovery if not permanent damage.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago

I

No kidding, that’s my helmet after a slide at 100km/h

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago

Mine wasn't nearly as bad looking but I was going maybe 40, just some minor scratches. However, when I took off the chin bar I realized the anchor was close to torn out and there were spots in the EVA foam that cracked. Wearing a helmet saved me from a pretty nasty head injury or worse.

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[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 26 points 5 days ago

Jesus, looks like a wolverine/Sandslash/moderately miffed cat took a serious dislike to you.

Glad you're still around.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago

This one is not mine, but I have been saved by a helmet before. Glad I'm still here too, thanks!

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Always wear an approved brain bucket and gear or become a road pizza.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 18 points 5 days ago

It wouldn't have gotten so scratched up if you'd have left it home. Jeez.

(J/K)

[-] Skates@feddit.nl 16 points 5 days ago

Cool but can I get another model? I feel like the white shit wouldn't be great for visibility

[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This breaks the rider's collarbone. (Still better than not having a face though)

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 5 days ago

Don't forget leathers or some other full body protection, too. Dress for the slide, not the ride.

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