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[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 hours ago

The explanation is pretty mundane.

The last 2 years have seen really, really fast depreciation, because the car shortage of 2020-2022 drove up cars way beyond their normal prices. Some cars actually appreciated in value in 2021.

So when the shortage untangled eventually, used car prices plummeted. Here's a chart of the most robust used car price index.

At the same time, several EVs saw huge price drops as Tesla tried to preserve market share against increased competition. When the new car drops in price by $20k, then the used market for that car similarly drops suddenly.

So when the value of vehicles drops unexpectedly across multiple markets, you'll have a lot more people whose car values failed to keep up with their loan balances.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 hours ago

Yet another reason why car-focused transportation is a hilariously dumb idea.

Build some transit already

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 10 hours ago

*siphons all the funding away to cronies and general corruption

"See? Mass transit just doesn't work here."

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago

Alternatively: "Car prices higher than ever, wages not keeping up with inflation."

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

I bought mine cash, used Peugeot 308, 10k€. I feel like every car in US needs a real-estate-size loan to afford it

[-] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

It feels like in the US way more often than ever before people are buying in the luxury/premium car space. I stay exclusively on the cheap end because it's all I need. The options for new economy cars shrink every year, but there's a million pickup and SUV options. It seems normalized to spend way more on a car than you really need, partially because financing is offered on ridiculously long terms (5+ years) for a depreciating asset.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 18 hours ago

Americans are more underwater ~~on their car loans~~ than ever before

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 17 hours ago

Feels good to be completely debt free on the cars. Yes it meant when my work car started showing issues, I had to review my expectations when going electric and couldn't get the van/large car I thought I needed and we downsized to a hatch back instead, but truthfully I think that was a kick in the nuts I needed to realise I was getting pulled into a weird spiral of thinking I always need more, when really 99% of the time I'm fine in a small vehicle (and it's so much nicer to drive and get around in). For these few times stuff won't fit I'll use our older ICE which is a bit more spacious, and when that's not enough I'll rent a van and bill it to the client!

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 19 points 1 day ago

An increasingly large number of Americans owe more on their auto loan than their car is worth

So thats what it actually means.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago

The same term is used with housing and perhaps anywhere a loan is involved with yes purchase of property.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 4 points 17 hours ago

But in the case of (new) cars isn't this applicable to literally everyone the moment they drive off the lot? Like it's gonna take a while untill the loan payments catch up to the depreciation of a new car.

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Most people make a down payment so that their loan balance starts off being significantly lower than the value of the car.

[-] SoJB@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

This might be a bit controversial

But if you can’t afford to buy the vehicle in cash, you can’t afford the vehicle.

This is the inherent evil in the spread of Western values. Build car centric societies. Keep people poor, keep them dumb, and keep them fat.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago

I totally agree, and proudly own our vehicles outright! Don't care if they're a bit older.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Damn skippy. We own all our cars hell just bought a 20 year old truck for 3300. Fuck paying 40 to 90k on fucking car. Plus all the computer bullshit where it can be expensive to fix, or worse car companies can shut down features or put them behind paywalls. Not happening for me.

I rather we had better public transportation though and not have to rely on cars to get around if I could I rather only have a small car or van that you use for long road trips and commute by bus or train.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 23 hours ago

Part of me thinks this [the article] is entirely false due to the fact that as soon as someone buys a new car and finances it, they owe more on the loan than the car is worth due to the drive-off value drop (blanking on the actual name)

But I didn't actually read the article, and intuitively I know that the face value conclusion is very likely correct.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

How else can I buy the newest Ford "own the libs" truck with the lift kit and coal-rolling accessories?

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 7 points 22 hours ago

Funny, but let's not pretend this is solely a conservative issue.

People want to own nice shit with modern amenities that's newer so they dont have to mess with it and i don't blame them. That's absolutely reasonable. It's just crazy expensive and many loans are predatory.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

People want lots of things.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz -4 points 20 hours ago

And people deserve lots of things whether or not the market values them highly.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

People deserve nice, newer cars with modern amenities even if they can't afford it? Yeah, you're correct: that does seem to be the mindset of the people I know with nice, new cars that cost more each month than their rent. Not sure I agree with the idea that they "deserve" them. But, then, I'm not sure anyone "needs" or "deserves" new cars just because they want "nice shit." Very modern capitalist of you though.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Me: Everyone deserves to live comfortably regardless of how much capital they have

You: Wow you fucking capitalist

??? lmao

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Sure thing, champ. You seem confused about the difference between capitalist critique and underwriting unnecessary consumerism.

Regardless, you don't seem worth the time, so I'll save us both effort and block you. Feel free to respond, but I won't see it.

[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

I've only ever bought like 20 year old used cars. I can't even comprehend how anyone has enough money to afford a new car. It's not even the price of the car itself, which is always absurd anyways, but the cost of insurance on a car that new and registration is also just insane. A friend of mine recently bought a car that was only 5 years old and their payments including insurance and everything are still almost as much as the mortgage on my house. It's no wonder everyone is under water with their car loans.

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 4 points 16 hours ago

When the pandemic hit, i was just looking for a car. A lot of people back then were selling the cars they haven't payed off yet. I was truly shocked to find out that some people spend like 1300 a month on car payments.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Where did you find that cheap-ass house?

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago
[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago

Nope. 2021. It just looks like a place where people turn into missing persons and it's in a fairly low COL city. I am also just barely scraping by on the payments until the PMI drops off.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago

Fair enough. Was being cheeky. Hopefully things loosen up for you soon 🤞

[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Picked myself up a crack den (not literally but might as well be) like 8 years ago. My dad built houses and taught me how to do most of the work so I bought a cheap place I knew I could eventually fix. Also in a fairly low COL area. So a shit house in a fairly cheap city in a cheaper housing market. It was either that or just accept never owning a house so I jumped on it and just barely scrape by.

My mortgage payments cost me just as much as renting a slightly nicer house in my area so the point still stands that my friend is paying nearly as much for their vehicle per month as most people here pay in rent.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Well, it's not exactly fair to compare a crack house in crackville - which I'm picturing as Mantua, OH - to the average house, let alone any place in an urban area. But congratulations all the same.

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe they bought their house like 10 or 12 years ago.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

There were a lot of cheap houses available in 2012 through 2014, the problem was having the credit you needed to get one of them.

I recently saw a house that I saw for sale back in 2013 for $75,000 on the market for $530,000.

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 3 points 20 hours ago

Most people go for low money down offers on loans and stay upside down for at least half the life of the loan.

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