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[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 hours ago

The root cause is economic. Wealth is being transferred to the billionaires at a growing rate. This causes difficulty for most people. If we were smart we would unify and tax obscene wealth, and everybody would be happy. But instead, those billionaires spend hundreds of millions of dollars stoking the flames of a culture war. They amplify every emotional issue to motivate emotional (outrage/anger/fear) voting. Now instead of liberals pushing progressive tax policy, they just vote for moderate democrats because the only other choice is a fascist. And if it wasn’t that, they’d stoke liberals into a Green Party socialism craziness and vilify it, so that again the sensible choice is moderates.

The real question you should ask is why are most representatives on both sides millionaires? There’s really only a handful of congress members who don’t already have millions in assets. I’ll answer it for you - it’s almost impossible to get elected without a major campaign donation. Rich people fear poor people rising up, so they throw money at measly millionaires to do their bidding and keep their power.

In summary: the rich control 90% of who gets elected on both sides. The rich get whatever they want, because everybody else thinks they need to vote based on a couple issues they saw on TV. The actual candidate doesn’t matter. They’re all billionare’s puppets, who vote on party lines in order to get re-elected. Stir the pot and lose your position.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago

A dumb shit bag occupying a senate seat is good for the rich, regardless of their affiliation, because it denies that seat to any potential proactive, organized, effective, popular, charismatic and progressive senator that might speak for the poor people.

Red and blue both like MTG because all she does is camp a seat that might otherwise be a threat to them, and spout obnoxious retarded drivel that doesn't harm the rich controllers. She's just a noisy paperweight.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago

This is the best explanation of MAGA I've ever seen, still true after 8-years. Read it. It's important.

https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The sad thing about that article though is that the spiked bat they picked out of desperation cares much less about them than the very people they aim their hated at. It's one of the biggest reasons that people like me that think trump is the lowest of the low, truly a garbage human being, detest the entire GOP and every person that supports them - they continue to enable their actual destructive behavior.

It angers me to even see an article try to minimize the negative impact that is being imparted on our current and future generations. I understand that true elites are bad but you can't both sides this shit. One side is trying to make lives better and one side revels in destroying our civil liberties that our founders and troops bled for, ignoring the fact that their guy who is Jesus 2.0 leads us back towards a monarchy/dictatorship.

Fuck that.

The electoral college needs to go and our FPTP voting system needs to go if we ever truly want to make change as a nation. Otherwise we will continue to be stuck in a pissing match with no victor, while the elites get fatter. The GOP needs to die, they have no platform and don't stand for their ideals anymore - they're not the same party that existed back in the 2000s

[-] bonanza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Thanks for sharing!

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That was really a great read thanks for sharing that!

It was absolutely hilarious to get to the end not entirely realizing it and reading "You can pre-order Jason "David Wong" Pargin's book Zoey Punches the Future in the Dick ..." Lol

The future definitely deserves to be punched in the dick though.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 89 points 10 hours ago

In some cases, they ran in districts that were already heavily Republican, often due to gerrymandering. They won because any Republican would have won.

If other Republicans ran in the primaries, they won the primary by exciting the primary voting base. Far fewer people vote in primaries, and they tend to be engaged in hype, and MAGA is all hype based propaganda based on fear and anger. That excites Republican primary voters.

The few that defeated incumbent Republicans did so through the hate and fear angle, because it works. It is a successful fascist playbook, as shown throughout history.

So basically they mostly won for the same reason Trump won in 2016, fascist propaganda stoking fear. They promised to solve all the problems they made up about the groups they blamed.

The whole Ohio immigrants eating pets is just the same thing, dialed up to 11.

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 26 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

This is also why you vote in the primary of the party with the candidates you like least.

If you view any candidate in party A as better than every candidate in party B, you need to vote in party B's primary so the best candidate for you will make it to the general election. Then even if party A loses the general election you still get the candidate you like most from party B.

This was a key strategy for black people in the south to get the least racist Democrats into office. It's basically ad hoc ranked choice voting and it reduces the power of extremists.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

Depending on the state, one may not have that option.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Arizona has a ballot initiative this year to force open primaries if the party wants any state election funding assistance.

Of course all the parties are against it. Bipartisan disapproval for a citizen ballot initiative usually means it's in the citizen's interest.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This is literally how Trump and many other fascist politicians have won. Don't support fascists, how can that not be obvious?

Nvm I misread your comment at first

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 38 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Much of USA treats their leaders team with the same reverence and loyalty they treat sports teams even if they are consistently ~~shitty~~ poopy.

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 3 hours ago

It's okay, you can say “shitty” on Lemmy.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago

I live in Cleveland. I know all about cheering for shitty teams. Republicans are more like a cult.

See, I refuse to cheer for the browns until 2027. I refuse to cheer for a rapist. I treat empathy of humans over who got the points by throwing a ball.

With these people cruelty is the point. If I see a stray 99mph pitch hit another opposing player in the head, my immediate thought is "OH MY GOD!!! IS HE OK???"

Whereas, the way republicans treat politics, the message is clear. "Oh my god, I hope they die!"

Which is what helps explain a lot of their policy. They want to ban abortion, because they hope women die. They don't want gun reform laws, because they hope people die. They don't want medical care for anyone but them, because they hope others die.

Sports is supposed to be the thing I watch to distract myself from all this bullshit. Sooooo.....GO GUARDS!!! BEAT THE YANKEES!!! (in a game of baseball. Not with violence.)

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I refuse to cheer for the browns

Racist 😡

[-] iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 9 hours ago

Republicans are more like a cult.

Republicans are ~~more like~~ a cult.

FTFY

And agreed on all fronts.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

The MAGA movement of 2016 billed itself as an anti establishment movement. Contrasting itself from traditional Republicans and the Democratic party. It promised to "Drain the Swamp".

Their success is indictive of a discontent with the state of the government at the time. They targeted the blue collar demographic promising stances on issues that'd help them.

Here's a video on a county that voted Democrat from 1869-2016: https://youtu.be/yfxvHqTCy2w

Keep in mind you came to a left leaning platform with essentially no Trump supporters and asked why do people like Trump. Listen to what they cite not just us.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

People really forget/undersell that this was the original groundswell of support for Trump - particularly running against the Nth generation political hack that was Hillary Rodham Clinton in the general, and the Nth generation political hack that was John Ellis ‘Jeb’ Bush in the primary.

Trump also touched the racism/xenophobia lightning rod in ways no mainstream Republican had since the civil right era, either with dog whistles, or c/overt wink-and-nod about “those people”.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 27 points 10 hours ago

Systematic capture. They planned it.

[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

It saddens me to know that 68% of my country are a bunch of racists.

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm assuming you're from the US?

Due to gerrymandering, even if republicans receive 68% of the seats, it doesn't mean 68% of the votes went to them. They might very well be able to take 68% of the seats with under 40% of the votes.

[-] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

68%? Where is that coming from ?

[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago

They believe they are living in a godless country. Liberals are out to destroy America with their evil atheist ways. They believe liberals are destroying traditional family values. They believe liberals want open borders so all the immigrants will vote for them. They believe those immigrants are all gang members just waiting to kill God fearing Christians. They believe this is a Christian country. They believe abortion is murder. Finally, they believe Trump is the only one who can save the country.

[-] radix@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

Something like 63% of the US population identifies as Christian. That number is over 75% in Latin America.

If they really wanted more Christians, they'd welcome the immigrants. But that's just an excuse to cover for the racism.

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

No, because brown Hispanics tend to be catholic. That's the wrong Christian to a lot of the Bible belt

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)
[-] GoddessNoAi@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 10 hours ago

And some that ran unopposed weren't unopposed until they harassed and threatened their opposition into dropping out of the race.

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 8 points 9 hours ago

Do you have any information references or links about that?

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Citizens United. In 2001, corporations were suddenly allowed to donate an unlimited amount of money to political campaigns. Campaign donations were deemed a form of expression protected by the first ammendment. The entrenched far-right republicans were suddenly being outspent by even further right people from out of nowhere, unseating many of them. The game for both parties then became how much corporate donation can you attract, and for Republicans, they found the further right you go the more votes you get. So republican nominees could have standards or keep their job, not both. The ones that were the far-right were still professional legislators, genuinely believing conservativism is in society's best interest, and many of them tried to resist, like McCain and Romney. The new far-right ones are professional shills in it for personal gain. The old ones are greedy cowards who know better. The Republicans have slid right at lightspeed ever since Citizens United.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The real, possibly main answer is largely because many people, especially young people, do not vote in large enough numbers to stop them.

There's also stuff like gerrymandering that help parties in power stay in power when they get to draw the district lines but I would argue that poor turnout is what makes the biggest difference.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

The way politics works now is that MAGA tries to reenact the Handmaid's Tale and/or sell the world to disaster capitalists while doing nothing to actually govern, Democrats try to play it cool and actually govern sometimes, and dark money gets poured into elections to make everything even murkier.

[-] rhacer@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Conservatives typically win by promising what they will not do vs. what they will do. (At least the true conservatives do. Not all Republicans are conservative though)

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

They promise to punish the people republican voters don't like (poor people, minorities, and "elites"). And then they fulfill the first two.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 10 hours ago

The same way all regime whores get into the office... Donor money and captured political process.

While plebs fighting culture wars, the parasite class is executing a class war!

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

Hurt people. And yeah a lot of

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

They promised to be "not biden", and lemmings ate the fish like dynamite.

See, that phrase didn't make sense, but it doesn't need to. Politics for these people isn't about policy, or logic, or even country. It's about "if I win, you lose, so fuck you!".

And that's how we got here.

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