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Written by Kirsten Beyer & Davy Perez

Directed by Eduardo Sanchez


LoglineReturning to a planet that dredges up tragic memories, Captain Pike and his landing party find themselves forgetting everything, including their own identities as he confronts a ghost from his past.

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[-] CCatMan@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Great episode. Wish there was more time to explore the planet with the away team. Also, what does Una do again? I can already see why Spock replaces her as first officer....

[-] theinspectorst@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

At the start of the episode, when Ortegas was getting ready for the away mission, I thought this episode would have the scene from the start of the season 2 trailer where she (gleefully) pilots a shuttle down to a planet.

At least we know she will eventually get to go on an away mission!

[-] TeaHands@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Really enjoyed this episode, it didn't make the most sense at times but made up for it with an extremely disturbing core concept. And there is comfort in the idea that even without a significant portion of our memories, we're still "us".

I'm confused about one thing though and maybe I just missed something so someone can enlighten me. If the palace is so well-protected that just literally being inside it for ten minutes is enough to completely reverse the memory loss, why was Pike first affected by it while standing in the palace? Is it just that they weren't in there for very long during their first encounter with Zac, and the symptoms caught up with him, or did I miss something about how that worked?

[-] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm a bit undecided about this episode.

Stuff that I liked:

  • a strange new(-ish) world
  • everyone got something to do, unlike last week
  • once again some funny Spock moments
  • the visuals on this show are stunning once again. The planet looked nice, the external VFX in the debris field of two celestial bodies that orbited Rigel VII several centuries ago looked nice, the Enterprise interiors look so nice.

Stuff that I didn't like:

  • I'm not a fan of forced relationship dramas. Plus, from the pilot episode I got the feeling that Pike and Batel (does she even have a first name yet?) are only friends with benefits, but now Batel storms off after Pike says he wants to take it easy? Weird.
  • how can a society or any sort of structure be maintained if you can't remember anything? The whole premise felt a bit off.
  • the writing for Ortegas was weak. Her personal log at the beginning of the episode sounded like it was written by ChatGPT. And the stuff towards the end of the episode wasn't great either. The actor did the best she could with what she was given but the writing really didn't do her any favors.
[-] MarceloTeson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I like the Pike/Batel relationship dynamic. I like that they're both captains with their own responsibilities, which is new and different from what we've seen in previous iterations of Trek where one is an officer and the other is left at home or something. It doesn't feel forced to me, although the question of weren't they just FWB's is an interesting one, I'd have to go back and look at the pilot. But I'm ok with buying that they're closer than that but just can't make it work because they both have ships to captain.

I would like to see more of her being a captain. Hopefully there's an episode in the future where we get to see her on her bridge doing her thing.

[-] eva_sieve@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm also in the camp that liked it, Pike since his reintroduction in Disco S2 has been one of the franchises' most emotionally open captains. Most of the time we see this as this self-assured dad energy he uses when talking to his subordinates, but I think it was good to see how he can be vulnerable but still that genuine, emotionally mature guy with someone who's on the same level as him.

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[-] gibberish_driftwood@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago

I've only managed to see this episode once, but something I didn't understand was Spock's decision to try and hide in the debris field. At this point they believed the planet was the source of the problem, but it seemed mostly a guess that the debris field might shield them.

Wouldn't the most logical action have been to get as far away from the planet as reasonably possible until the effects appeared to subside? I know Una made a point that they had crew down there, but it's not as if they can't return more cautiously and with a clearer understanding of what's happening. You're also helpless to help your landing party if you're completely incapacitated yourself.

Have I missed something important?

[-] autojourno@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

He recommended to the First Officer that they retreat from the planet and she gave him an order not to do that. She went to sick bay after but I don’t think command was formally transferred to him.

So he looked for an alternative that would keep them safe while still executing a superior officer’s instructions, and he got it wrong by misunderstanding compounds in the debris that he’d never encountered before. If he’d been right about the debris it would have been a genius move. As it was, he followed orders and looked for non-suicidal way to do that.

[-] UhBell@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Damn I love this show. I can't help but wonder if Hemmer would have been affected differently by the radiation if he wasn't a gorn egg popsicle.

[-] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Isn't Spock usually the one to be immune? But he was affected to, so was Una. It's likely that Hemmer would have been affected as well (for plot reasons anyway).

[-] G59@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I almost thought Una's super healing ability would make her immune/resistant to the radiation damage.

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[-] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago

Outside of Pike and Batel's relationship, are there any points in this episode that look to connect to anything else in the currently ongoing plotline in SNW? I didn't really notice anything, it seems like this might be the most standalone episode.

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OK, can someone help me out? I had major deja-vu with the scene where Spock tells Ortegas she can't go on the ~~field trip~~ away mission. Wasn't there another episode where Ortegas was about to get to go on an away mission and got told she couldn't at the last minute? Or did I maybe see that scene in a preview or something?

[-] r2vq@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

It was shared late last year as a preview. YouTube

That scene was shown at one of the major conventions last year, so you may have seen it then.

[-] concrete_baby@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Who voiced the computer? It sounds like Kate Mulgrew

[-] jimternet@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah I thought exactly the same!

[-] Calanon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's bugged me a little in previous episodes, but in this episode it really bugged me that the entire medical staff seems to be M'Benga and Chapel - I know it's normal for Trek for the staffs to appear small but normally either it's been a plot point (Voy), others mentioned if not seen (DS9) or that we occasionally see them (TNG, DIS, TOS). It'd be nice just to see a few others about.

[-] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We saw several more staff in sickbay in season one, especially in the episode with the contagion from the former Illyrian colony.

I found it very odd that Chapel was on her own with no other medical technicians or paramedics in this episode.

[-] sammydee@universeodon.com 1 points 1 year ago

@StillPaisleyCat @Calanon She's a modern O'Brien, then. Always in the wrong place at the wrong time without backup. :)

Enjoyed this very much, the tone was very creepy. Reminded me of the psychological horror episodes only TNG really did.

I would link it back to psychological mystery of The Cage and further to its touchstone, the MGM 50s classic Forbidden Planet.

[-] regeya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Rigel 7 is literally a callback to The Cage

[-] 1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago
  • Still somewhat annoyed that there is no seat belt on the shuttle, even if it is to maintain continuity with TOS. M'Benga looked like he was going to bang his head and get a concussion when they were landing.

  • La'an: They won't see us coming.
    Zac: We totally saw you from the other side of the planet a hemisphere away.

  • What was Zac trying to accomplish? He lured them there with the Starfleet Delta, but he was not going to hitch a ride home. He expected whatever ship that comes to inspect to... forget and go away, or suffer some disastrous result when the crew become unable to function? Why not just stay low and be king if he wasn't planning to leave?

[-] Basilisk@mtgzone.com 1 points 1 year ago

It wasn't intentional. The Starfleet Delta was something Zac's followers had done to honour him, it wasn't intended as a lure.

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