Says the country that is 99% immigrant blood
Yeah the non immigrant blood is the one they spilled
Any issue any position, you can get 25% to agree. Another 5% is rounding error. Another 3% you get from trolls.
Just like that, you can get 1/3 support for anything you want and clickbait your way to victory!
Which immigrants? They said that about Italians, then Irish. Seems the new guys on the block are always the bad guys until they aren't.
Elon Musk is an immigrant. Let's start there
Literally African-American.
Can we bring back lynching for a day? Just for him?
No?
Wtf.
No no. Just for him. There's a special place in hell for him and his clique, and the more painful way to deliver him there the better.
You're all immigrants you idiots.
Nuh uh. I was born here. My parents were born here. (/s, of course)
Let's not go back any further than that because it hurts the argument.
For context, I am 50% Italian, 25% French, 12.5% Irish, and 12.5% English. At least going off what my parents had told me. I never did a DNA test or anything.
It's been barely 60 years since racism against Italian- and Irish-American individuals really eased up. All based on xenophobia and an anti-Catholic belief. Before that, they may as well have been Black. Or worse, Japanese.
Tons of people alive today that experienced it first hand. Did all the lead in the paint and gasoline make them forget all about it?
Even still today we have to tiptoe around ideas like renaming Columbus Day. On the one hand, he was a massive piece of shit. On the other hand, it's morphed into the only holiday celebrating Italian-American heritage. I very much agree with the former, but if we are gonna go all-out on St. Patrick's Day, Italians should have a day too.
Maybe we could make a bigger deal out of St. Joseph. I could really go for a zeppole right about now, but that's really all I know of the day. It's a day for a zeppole.
i live in a small town full of old people who incessantly whine about people "moving here and trying to change things" from other parts of the country. while sitting on stolen cherokee land.
among americans there is this weird fucked up notion that we are, and always were, entitled to this land, and no one else is allowed on it. including the people who were living here first. it's been passed down through generations since the first colonists and still remains, even among democrats. so we hate "other," but we especially hate them when they move into town. and god fucking forbid they ever speak anything but 'murican
for context, my town still has a confederate statue because the usual "bUt MuH hIsToReEeEeEeEs"
We are indeed, and...we are indeed.
A minority of voters. The stupid end of the intelligence bell curve.
The poor end of the for profit education industry
Nope just stupid. No amount of education can make a stupid person smart.
A third of Americans are xenophobic bigots. Got it.
Meanwhile they proudly exclaim their great great great great grand daddy came in on the Mayflower.
They also love to claim that they had a great-grandmother who was "full-blooded Cherokee" (it's almost always Cherokee) and if you check their DNA, nope. All European.
When my Jewish roommate told his parents he was dating a gentile they told him he was "thinning the blood"
As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.
People forget very quickly. Just look at what's happening in Germany and Austria and the Netherlands and France and Italy. It's like everyone's ignoring history.
Yes, and people who forget history are destined to repeat it. It’s sad to hear some people in Germany wanting to “get over” our history…
You don't have to be German. Just slightly educated.
Unfortunately, it's specifically poorly educated people that Trump appeals to. He says so himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0
You’re right. I just meant that with the background of our history, that it’s something that wasn’t just said, but actually happened, it feels more concerning.
Who did they poll? How was the poll conducted? If it's a phone poll you're going to get old people, no one younger than 40 is going to do a phone poll. And most old people are conservatives. When it comes to polls, it's very easy to manipulate the results either in how it's done or how the results are interpreted.
If only there were some sort of article you could click on and read which would answer these questions for you. Maybe with a link directly to that poll.
Alas...
I'm struggling here to avoid being offensive - but really, Americans often appear to me to be averaging subhuman intelligence.
Yesterday I was reading about Latino MAGA's who just assume Trump isn't talking about them...
This might be a controversial take, but I don't think racist bigotry is an intelligence thing
The study and measure of intelligence itself is a piece of the rationalization of racism.
We owe a lot of our scientific inheritance to genociders and racists and eugenicists - I wouldn't be quick to assume the MAGA base is just a bunch of dimwitted Americans.
As an American, the last 10 years have been a real surprise to me. I've always known that there were incredibly stupid and hateful people, but it seemed like a slowly shrinking minority. The slow, incremental progress of America has led to apathy for most progressive voters. After all, if nothing is broken and it is getting better on its own, why worry about fixing it.
The problem is that a very over the last 100 years, a small but very rich group of psychopaths have been slowly eroding things like our education, journalism, social support, workers rights, judicial systems, and more.
I'm not talking about some secret group like the Illuminati, I'm talking about individual psychopaths like Elon musk who pick one or two things that they feel get in the way of thier ability to grab the power they think they deserve. They whittle away, using their immense wealth to slowly chip at our institutions. And each new one is able to build upon the work of the previous psycho.
The problem is that the last hundred years of slow witling has left us with very weak foundations, and things are beginning to fall apart.
Using "subhuman" for persons while arguing against eugenics...
You can't make that stuff up
everyone thinks they are the leopard eating faces until a bigger leopard eats their face.
Just a reminder, there were "Jews for Hitler". We can guess what happened to them after hitler rose to power.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin
Great man, that George Carlin, great man.
I'm not saying America is the center of world intellectualism, but you're also getting quite a selection bias since "stupid American" stories are even popular to other Americans.
I thought that same
But actually, after visiting Denver I was super surprised by how friendly and normal people were
I'd easily live there (and no, I'm not a weed smoker. Never tried it, no plans to, do doesn't influence my decision)
Which bloodline would that be? The great Royal bloodline of the Ancient American Empire?
What about all those people saying they're 1/16th Cherokee?
There are only a few counties in the world that draw the smartest and most accomplished from the rest of the world. The USA is pretty high on that list. This gives the USA an unfair advantage worldwide in several ways:
US schools and businesses get to pick from the best and brightest worldwide, promoting an atmosphere of high performance STEM jobs.
US replaces lost high education and high IQ population, since there is a negative correlation between education level and reproduction.
Finally, if you think in terms of winners vs losers, which I feel MAGAs do these days,, other countries lose their best and brightest, making them less competitive to the USA.
And of course don't forget that the vast majority of Americans come from families that immigrated, and few would argue that they themselves should be sent back "to where they came from".
No matter how you look at it, immigration is extremely advantageous to the USA if handled properly and an enviable position that many other countries wish they could be in.
Seems like the usual 1/3 that agrees with trump on whatever. Not gonna change.
13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that. What the actual fuck?
No surprise? People have nuanced views, different opinions, from left to center to right, even hardcore racist ones... and vote Democrats. Just as you could find conservatives who do not agree with the statement.
The statement is so vague and loaded and can be agreed or disagreed with from all kinds of people.
Edit: And yes it's quite ironic(?) that so many people agree with this - in a country where people unironically track that they're 12% German, or 20% Irish, or whatever.
"think of how dumb the average guy is. Now remember that half the population is dumber than him." -- George Carlin.
Compare to George W. Bush, who said:
"We’re also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways."
and:
"Some in this country argue that the solution is to — is to deport every illegal immigrant and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree. It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border."
and:
"We must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans."
I'm not saying G.W. was good or anything, but god damn that's a big change from what we see now from Republicans.
I got a lot of heat for saying it before, but as a Latino, out of all his shit, racist is not something I ever got from Bush. He did a lot for Africa in terms of foreign aid, more than any president before him. He has positive things to say about immigration like you mentioned, and he grew up around a lot of Latinos, and his brother is married to a Mexican. So I never saw his family as racists. Fuck how is it possible I'm missing the Bush family?
You never saw GW Bush as racist, but Middle Eastern Americans would disagree because leaders at that time didn’t do enough to combat the wave of Islamophobia which occurred after 9/11. Now it’s just the Latinos turn being the scapegoat. Republicans almost always play the racism card, just the target is different. Americans deserve better.
Edit to point out that when I say “Republicans” in my post, I mean the talking heads. I know individuals and people who may vote Republican may not necessarily feel the same
I know individuals and people who may vote Republican may not necessarily feel the same
But the racism card never becomes a deal-breaker. Republicans are more likely to get in line and go to the polls than those who lean to the left. If you choose to associate with and elect people who broadcast hateful rhetoric, you bear responsibility.
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