No political system is perfect. Ever.
They require constant vigilance. They require battling. Human greed is capable of corrupting every system that a human mind can create.
Anyone that tells you they have a perfect political system that would never need fixing is a liar, an idiot, or both.
Anyone who tells you that thinks they'd profit from that new system.
Either way, change is needed. And electing a fascist is going to make change more difficult.
Would you rather push a boulder up a hill... or up a sheer cliff face while stormtroopers at the top are shooting at you and rounding up everyone who could help and putting them in camps?
Exactly. Thank you.
Idk, “after Hitler, our turn” worked out good for those people last century
You mean it worked out for the people he didn't eradicate
This was sarcasm. It in fact was not them after Hitler because he was a dictator who killed them. The idea that we should sit out this election to punish Dems is fucking idiotic because fascist authoritarians tend to clean house of people they dislike.
Also, people aren't going to turn to people that did nothing to oppose fascism to rebuild their society after it was destroyed by fascists. People will say "you were right about that Trump guy." They won't out of nowhere say "you were right about this socialist thing, by golly I wish I did nothing to stop fascism like you did! Why if I was more like you... well things would've still gotten destroyed because you did nothing. But I could've felt smug about things like you are. I want to be more like you!"
As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don't vote the system may get to a point where it can't be fixed.
If you want that outcome go watch the movie Civil War. You're likely to be one of the people in that refugee camp, or maybe in a mass grave because you're the "wrong kind of American". That's the kind of shit that happens when the system is destroyed.
go watch the movie Civil War.
I want my 2 hours back.
People that romanticize civil wars and revolutions often hate that movie. But that's exactly the kind of person it was made for. Radical politics don't accomplish all that much other than getting a lot of people killed.
Um, excuse me, this is a circle jerk. Get out of here with your facts.
I've come back around to the thought that even by the metric of working as intended, the system is broken
Any solution that starts with purges is bad.
Purges?
When we taking (this) system?
You talking about the ruling class (defined by its ownership of all things)?
(Either way a purge would be just taking away things they shouldn't own anyway)
I don't think purging by political affiliation would directly change modern western systems, so dismantling such system isn't by color, it's ruling class vs everyone & everything else.
I'm thinking more about the plurality of Americans that aren't on board, for whatever stupid reason. Until they are convinced, destroying the system won't really stick, if it's even possible.
Wouldn't stick, but it would still take a century to get as bad is it currently is.
Maybe, unless the replacement is immediately worse based on who seizes control. It's the devil you know vs the one you don't.
It's harder to build something than to destroy it. I'd you destroy a system with nothing to replace it, the rich and powerful will swoop into the power vacuum and gobble up more.
This is very true. It has happened so many times.
One example of the top of my head: the collapse of the USSR.
yep, violent revolution rarely ends with better conditions for the people
There are no winners, only survivors.
Yep the current capitalist world order benefits infinite extracting moneyed interests by mass exploitation and it must be completely destroyed.
I prefer the term "technofeudalism"
Let us hold hands and nuke ourselves I guess.
There is no perfect system, every system needs to be fought over, lest it gets overtaken by those working against you. Destroying the current system also destroys every benefit you already fought for.
Getting rid of monarchy famously destroyed all the benefits that enlightenment brought the people. /s
Most monarchies didn't get 'destroyed' and most peasants living under monarchies didn't have much to lose to begin with. The world is much more interconnected now.
... just because the world is more interconnected doesn't state anything about how much the people have to lose. Inequality in income is ridiculously high rn.
Yeah, and as we all know it goes very smoothly with no long running issues. France in the early 1790s was a great place for all, if memory serves.
Careful, you're going to make a lot of the dotworld liberals very upset with this one.
Welp
Yeah, but if you want to destroy the system you need to have the military on your side, and they won't be, which means you'll need to actually defeat them, which isn't likely, unless you take a lot of bases... with an already existing trained force... all at exactly the same time... with a huge force... of loyal, extremely secretive, organized, huge, military...
Look, maybe if you're A LOT more politically involved. Like running for office involved and you really work those wheels of progress things can gradually be improved. Seems less fantastical.
This laptop is bad. I should destroy it. This will give me a better laptop.
If the laptop's is orking as intended by actively harming you: Yes, you should destroy it.
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