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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

And then they came out of the closet, of course.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago

If you enjoy dystopian CS Lewis fanfic, check out the book/TV series "The Magicians".

Bonus: it is very gay

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

I couldn't finish the book, and the TV show was even worse.

[-] match@pawb.social 2 points 9 hours ago

i couldn't even get through the tv show to see the gays

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago

I second this. High quality gay magicians

[-] T156@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

In fairness, he did state that one of the reasons that he never wrote Susan was that he believed that he couldn't do her justice, and invited readers to come up with their own theories/stories.

[-] Podunk@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago

Theres no problem with susan. C.S. Lewis was using narnia as a very christian metaphor, for... come to think of it, lots of things. Included in that metaphor was a Peter Pan esque commentary of childhood. Susan grew up too fast. Thats it. Flawed as it may be, thats the bit. Misogynistic as is seems on reflection, i dont think it was intended that way.

Boys never grow up. If you have full grown man in your life, you already know this.

If you dont, you are missing out. Want to have a child without actually having a child? Make guy friends. Everything will make sense after that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 15 hours ago

I'm sure glad we don't reduce genders to stereotypes around here because that would be very silly.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago

Included in that metaphor was a Peter Pan esque commentary of childhood. Susan grew up too fast.

One of the reasons The Last Battle soured me on the series was the way in which they applied these increasingly unpleasant purity tests to the accumulated cast of characters.

Boys never grow up. If you have full grown man in your life, you already know this.

One of the messages of "The Problem with Susan" was that pain is the source of maturity. You tend to see this in older people because they've experienced more of it.

Grown men who don't act particularly mature are ones who have led relatively charmed existences. But there are plenty who have a sobriety and seriousness about them. You'll inevitably find some kind of trauma behind each of these folks.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Also women can be juvenile as well. I know many who have kept their inner child intact.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

They can, but the same rules tend to apply. Maturity is a consequence of adversity. People who live frictionless lives tend not to develop it.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, I was just thinking about all the young people who were in WW1 and WW2.

TRAUMA has a maturing effect, whether one desires it or not.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago

When I was young people used to tell me "You're wise beyond your years" Thanks! That'd be the trauma.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

This really depends long-term. Not everyone that experiences trauma develops PTSD, but at least speaking for myself, I've had a few decades of hopelessness, helplessness, and a lot of general emotional immaturity for my age. Particularly since so much of it occurred when I was a kid and heard the line about being mature...I regress to that childish mindset often in my 30s still. It's taken a lot of effort to develop the social support I've needed in conjunction with therapy and education to even start the process of actively healing rather than just surviving.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Parenthood also often does a lot to mature you. Not all parents by any means, but many of my friends with kids, and myself, found ourselves much harder to anger once we had kids and our empathic abilities increased substantially.

That all makes sense from an evolutionary perspective

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

Kids generate a lot of anxiety and no small amount of trauma (particularly for the person carrying the pregnancy to term). Even before the child arrives, there's also the real possibility of failed pregnancies. I have dozens of friends with kids, but I can count the number of women who have never experienced a miscarriage on one hand. Then there's the first six months of caring for a newborn, which is intense. There are childhood injuries and illnesses that you feel as fiercely as if they'd happened to you. And there's the general process of watching a child mature into an adult, and the emotional turbulence of that process.

There's also the experience of watching an elder loved one - a grandparent or parent or beloved aunt/uncle - grow infirm and die. It weighs on you, both directly as a caregiver and indirectly as a reminder of the mortality of younger loved ones.

Grief has a huge impact on personality.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Becoming a parent is not necessarily about trauma and anxiety - not everyone reacts this way, some people genuinely enjoy becoming parents, including women. What I think is kind of almost universal though, is the new responsibility. That can force you to mature too.

I fully agree on the losing loved ones part.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Becoming a parent is not necessarily about trauma and anxiety

No. There's a great deal of joy in being a parent, too. But a big part of caring for a child - particularly a toddler or per-adolecent - is having one eye open to the child's safety, constantly. Kids be doing crazy shit. Its normal and healthy, from a development perspective. But terrifying for a caretaker, whenever the kid behaves recklessly (or in any way the caretaker perceives as reckless).

Its an inherent trade-off. Watching a kid walk for the first time or ride a bike for the first time inevitably means watching them fall or crash. The agony and the ecstasy.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Men can grow up. It's just that modern society seldom cares to teach us to be proper men. So instead we often simply remain undeveloped.

[-] Kayday@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Cis Lewis isn't welcome in his own fantasy smh my head

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[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 121 points 1 day ago

lol, I love it.

C.S. Lewis - "I'm going to make the single most catholic fairy tale ever. This thing will be such catholic, woah, watch out, catholic comin' out of your ears with this fairy tale."

The Gays: Smiling, rubbing hands together, menacingly

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[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 38 points 1 day ago

What the hell is going on with these reply dates

[-] MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

It's the beauty of Tumblr. Old posts resurface, get new comments, gets passed around, fades into obscurity. Rinse and repeat

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