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[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 23 points 17 hours ago
[-] drathvedro@lemm.ee 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

tyranny.su ☭

Just $5/yr, up for grabs

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  • A government imposes taxation on the citizens to fund the services the citizens are required to use for daily life.

Libertarians: "GOD THIS IS AN UNJUST TYRANNY TO ME AND ONLY ME"

  • A corporation imposes a new service fee and increases the subcription charges, to fund their wallets and act like its better than it was before.

Libertarians: "This is normal and just, everyone is stupid except for me, I read Ayn Rand."

I'm down to talk out what is a just tax, what is unfair, what the taxes should go to once collected, but I think Libertarians are too hooked on think tank propaganda to decide something for themselves.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago

Corporations are fucked up. They will never allow the state to be abolished because they need to collect taxes in order to bail themselves out of trouble and in order to fight wars for them at the taxpayer expense so they can reap the profits... a corporation will never go to war alone. War is fucking expensive and is rarely directly profitable. They want to socialize expenses and privatize gain, which is impossible to do without a government of some kind.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

That's why you need to abolish both capitalism and state..

roll safe

Anarchy works

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 15 hours ago

...so, what, we're supposed to build an entire society on people's inherent willingness to help each other and just trust that crime will stop happening?

Like mate, I hate to break it to you, but psychopaths exist. The entire problem with capitalism is that some people are never satisfied no matter how much they have and will do anything they possibly can to hoard anything that could give them an advantage at the expense of the group.

[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Its true, the things that stop crime can only ever be made by a state.

In fact, people never managed to stop or punish theft or a murder until we invesnted states.

Yup, before states, if someone came a murdered your friend you had to trust that what you just witnessed didn't happen because there was literally nothing you could do about it, as states hadn't been invented yet.

Its good thing were too smart to fall for that.....

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's even better: a lot of essential or close to it things are pretty much monopolies or cartels (for example, Internet access in most of the US) so people have no actual choice but to pay a specific entity whatever they chose to charge.

It's like tax but without the upside of taxes (which is that they're money that's supposed to entirely end up benefiting you, even if most of it indirectly) because when you buy a product or service from a monopoly or cartel only part of it goes to cover the cost of the actual product or service you're getting and a large fraction or even most of it goes to shareholder dividends, which has zero benefit for you.

I've taken to call these things Taxes Paid Directly To Private Companies.

[-] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

Weird. How did those ISPs end up the only option?

[-] fishpen0@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Horizontal Territory Allocation is a common practice with Oligopolies with physical products (which the telephone wires and routing equipment they build to run the internet very much is).

Basically two or three massive companies simply don’t enter eachothers turf by unspoken agreement and they all get to benefit by not actually competing with eachother. They they can take turns raising prices in their own turf and know their customers have to physically move to get their “competitors” prices. As long as they never actually talk to eachother about doing it it is technically not illegal.

As for how they got the turf in the first place this mostly was small governments at the town and county level signing short term exclusivity agreements with a telco to run the initial infrastructure back in the 80s-90s when this was common. And many of these municipalities actively work against new telcos moving into the area long after those original agreements ended. You can always rile up some nimbys to bitch about construction noise at a small town hall and halt projects like this for decades. This is exactly how my hometown spent 8 years blocking fios in an area that only had dsl.

You tell a 40-50 something homeowner a three inch patch of their grass will be ripped up for just a week and they’ll drag their balls bare over fields of broken glass to show up to town hall week after week for 8 years to avoid it even if their isp quadruples prices in the same time frame.

[-] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago

Government and corporate interests can't help but suck each other off. Petty tyrants are gonna tyrant.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

Honestly kind of works like a political compass lol

[-] Gleddified@lemmy.ca 10 points 23 hours ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 22 hours ago
[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 6 points 19 hours ago

The Redcoats are coming!

I hate how the american version of “libertarianism” is what people think of instead of the original french left wing ideology.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

It's deliberate. Left-wing ideologies are basically "we don't really benefit from these traditional hierarchies and we'd be better off if we didn't concentrate resources in the hands of a small number of owners so much", which is hard to argue against.

So those who want to keep their power in the current system try to misdirect the debates themselves with "libertarianism" and "neo liberalism" which are both economically conservative ideologies that try to separate the idea of personal freedom from economic ones and ignore that any "freedom" in business is against a background of negotiation leverage, so more freedom in business gives more advantages to those with more leverage.

That first paragraph is also why conservatives put so much attention towards making it difficult to vote, get a good education, or find various supports. They know trying to argue that they should have control of most of the wealth is a losing argument so they go for confusing as many as possible or keeping them busy with their own survival.

[-] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 day ago

Surprisingly, tyranny.com is for sale.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Tranny.com is a shitty cam site.

Trust me. I thoroughly checked so you don't have to.

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago
[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

🤷 didn't feel like it was necessary to check.

Most "Libertarians" grow up as soon as they read any political theory, I personally became an Anarcho-Syndicalist

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 26 points 1 day ago

What are your views on sword-based governance?

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 20 points 1 day ago

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate of the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I'm glad we all agree you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

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[-] Balrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago

whitehouse.gov =/= whitehouse.com

[-] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago

I went to elementary school when whitehouse.com was still a porn site. I remember a class in the computer lab where we were supposed to do research on the government. Our teacher was very clear about going to the .gov website and absolutely not the .com one.

Whatever adult content blocking they had set up did not work.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago

The best short summary I’ve seen in a while

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