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Several Islamic groups have also condemned the program in a joint statement, fearing it will favor “hypersexualization” of children.
Aren't these the same people that think marrying girls at 10 years of age is fine?
in the same way that everyone on the internet is an incel.
I say this as a person without a religious bone in my body — it's very easy when slinging around /r/atheism levels of schoolboy humor to cross into xenophobia and racism.
What, practically, is the difference between, "all Muslims are pedophiles?" and "all Jews are pedophiles?'
The latter seems like something from Lauren Bobert/MTG/Palin/Alex Jones/Tucker Carlson. So why is the former acceptable?
It honestly makes me uneasy being on Lemmy seeing the frequency of which people are quick to jump to their Islamaphobic pitchforks. Weren't we meant to be smarter than Reddit? Is it really that enlightened to suggest because someone comes from a culture they are child abusers?
Not to split hairs, but how many underage girls did Jesus marry?
I get that you can't paint an entire religion with a single brush. People are different. People are people. But when the prophet they revere had some very questionable takes on this topic, you have to realize that religion is fine with it.
The only peaceful religion is Jainism, but they are all outdated attempts at explaining the world and thus wrong.
Not to split hairs, but how many underage girls did Jesus marry?
He is a fictional character and within the fiction none. However, for a traveling Rabbi he did spend a surprising amount of time with women alone. Which is interesting if you were wondering why there might have been a motivation to make him up.
If you really want to do this why not mention Solomon? How many of his concubines (sex slaves) were under 18?
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What do you mean "islamophobic pitforks"? These were Islamic groups that were involved. That it's accepted in Islamic culture to wed off a girl as soon as she bleeds is no more "islamophobic" that saying the sun can give you cancer. Not everybody will hand over their daughter to be wed as soon as she bleeds, no more than the sun will give you cancer as soon as you step into it.
Point the hypocrisy out between "she bleeds, she may be wed" and "sexual education is hypersexualisation" is not "islamophobic".
You're just looking to have the moral highground. "see guys, I told that dude he's an islamophobe, where are my upvotes?"
Also, not everything is globally recognized as pedophilia. Just because in your Western (American?) brain it has been taught so, doesn't mean that it is so to everybody.
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Classic peaceful religions
If you believe in eternal torture or happiness after death, basically anything is justifiable here on Earth to bring someone to your side or prevent them from "falling" to something that would land them in the bad place. In fact it's not just justifiable but a moral imperative if you believe you can save someone an infinite amount of suffering even if you cause temporary suffering now.
If someone believes in a god that implements eternal torture, they believe in a god everyone should despise, and should at least be honest about that part. Don't call it love, call it fear and terror.
The idea of a life after death where an idyllic eternal life can be simply purchased with belief demeans and devalues this life. You will never convince me that someone believing such things would be more moral and ethical than someone who believes that this life is all we get. I would argue that such belief is a cornerstone to a lack of ethics and morals because it implies nothing in this life really matters.
The whole known world is reduced to being a glorified sorting hat.
If the only reason you don’t harm others is so that you’ll get a place in paradise, you are not a moral or ethical person, you are a an egotistical hypocrite and a fake “good person”. Non-religious people who don’t harm others simply because they respect them and just don’t want to harm them, are the truly moral ones.
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The violence isn't caused by the hell belief; it's institutionalized by the hell belief. Abusive, violent, hellfire religion is an institutionalization of the habits of abusive, violent parents. Get rid of the actual physical child abuse, and the violent doctrine has nothing to sustain itself.
Hell is just a metaphor for how terrible it is when your parent screams at you and beats you. To a small child, while that's happening, it is eternal. You are wholly condemned, wholly guilty and judged, and no part of you is safe from pain and punishment. The doctrine of hell is religion telling you that's normal.
Without hell religion, kids who are beaten by their parents might grow up to beat their own kids. Or they might get over it. Or they might not have kids at all.
But under what circumstances do you get generations of kids getting beaten, growing up, having kids, and beating those kids too?
That's where hell religion comes in. It tells you that the beating isn't just your parents being terrible people; it's an explicit command from God, who created the whole universe. It's not just your parents, it's how the whole world is supposed to be. And you're supposed to grow up and do it too.
Hell religion tells you that it's wrong to recover from the abuse that was done to you. Stay traumatized; stay violent; put on the character armor of God and raise the rod to your own child so that they stay on the same shite-and-narrow path that you were put on.
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Anyone burning down schools to "protect the children" should take a very hard look at themselves. I hope they catch the people responsible quickly.
I do fear that this will cause some more islamophobia here (and we already have plenty). The problem isn't religion per se, it's misinformation. People believe that this program would cause teachers to teach kids how to masturbate, which is obviously ridiculous.
Unfortunately, fake news is more common in certain groups. One of those groups is muslims. It's the same reason why vaccination rates are much lower among them.
It's a problem that runs very deeply and is a consequence of a failed integration approach.
The problem isn't religii per se
Eeehh, religions (and cultural practices based on stone age values) are a HUGE part of the problem, though, if not all of it.
You don't see progressives and atheists burning down schools. That is exclusively for the religious and the backwards.
Meanwhile these are the same people that are okay with a 40 year old man marrying a 10 year old child. I'm sorry, if I'm an Islamophobe for saying that's a problem, then I'll happily be an Islamophobe. We no longer live in the 1500's, so stop acting as if we are. You disagree, you talk. You don't cut off heads or burn down schools.
Yes, I'm quite anti religions, but islam is the worst.
And on teaching masturbation... everybody thinking that a teacher would be jacking it in from of children should think again. You can safely tell children that it's okay and normal to touch yourself (in appropriate moments) as you would touch others, and that you don't need to be ashamed of that.
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Yeah and a large cause of the integration failure is religion. If the culprits are extremist Muslims, they absolutely won't "take a hard look at themselves". They hate secular education.
Wtf Belgium, you’re not the United States. Chill out.
We arent the us, no worries :')
The problem is that extremists are everywhere and with the easy access of information, things from other places are happening here too, even if they are not applicable ( like police voilence or blm protests ). That said, fuck those extremists, whatever their background is :')
Also, this article sucks. It doesnt even explain what the new sexual education is about
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I always saw Belgium as redneck France.
De Croo spoke just hours after a sixth school in the French-speaking Wallonia region was torched this week.
Sixth burnt school this week! Holy shit.
As it turns out, fundamentalists are actually terrorists.
Because they are educating the children! How dare they?!
Since I didn't immediately understand what this is about: "EVRAS" stands for "Relational, Emotional and Sexual Education" and it is a general guide for schools on how to educate school children on this matter. How many hours are advised, which topics should be talked about, etc. For example the UNESCO and the WHO research and work on EVRAS programs. But each school implements it differently, it's just a framework.
This is a summary on topics which are mentioned in the program. So it's basically a help for teachers on how to talk about that stuff:
- Promoting the respect between boys and girls, women and men ;
- Offering the possibility to anyone to make informed choices and to act by respecting oneself and others ;
- Preparing pupils to physiologic, psychologic and social changes linked to puberty ;
- Offering the possibility to everyone to get necessary aptitudes to face every aspects of sexuality and romantic relationships ;
- Promoting the capacity of everyone to communicate on sexuality, emotions, relations and to acquire necessary vocabulary to be able to communicate it properly
Sources (hard to find because everyone's talking about the arsons...):
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Sounds like some adults need to be taught the program, too.
United States will be sending a cease and desist letter. Our playbook is copyright protected.
Same shit, different century.
What the fuck.
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