cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3752956
Fascism is here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-immigrant-camps
No wonder Trump killed the bipartisan immigration reform bill. I didn't realize the anti-immigrant sentiment had gotten to this level in so much of the population. It's frankly horrifying.
I'd love to know more about how that poll was conducted. 22% of democrats? 47% of independents? I'm skeptical that those are really reflective of how prevalent those attitudes are.
Do y'all talk to people day-to-day?
I hear a lot of anti immigrant rhetoric from my immigrant aunts and my more "trashy" or low-class friends (all kids of immigrants)
I've been saying this for more than a decade now, before bots became such a huge thing (I think), if YouTube comments are any reflection of the average person/American, we're so beyond fucked. I absolutely do not practice cynicism
Yep. I think there's a huge amount of left leaning online people in denial.
They keep thinking that they just need to tell people about all these issues and then obviously those people will see it as wrong. Nope, a huge number of their fellow citizens are absolutely aware of this shit and actively approve of it.
Bringing 'awareness' is pointless if the people actually approve of this horrible stuff.
Survey methodology is described in detail here - https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/#page-section-12 (archived at https://ghostarchive.org/archive/FtPGJ)
The margin of error for the national survey is +/- 1.82 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence
Jesus Christ. The methodology actually sounds good. This is... So very, very troubling for our nation.
We've been a deeply racist and violent country for longer than we've been a country. Built on genocide and slavery. We didn't properly address our failures when we had the chance (Civil War should have ended with a new constitution and drastically different political structure to keep militant bigots from gaining power) and now we have this.
Oops! You missed the disclaimer: *of all participants polled, including only individuals who opted in to the poll, on this specific website or streetside polling campus, during these specific hours in the day.
Edit: Apologies if any of this was misleading. I only meant to point out that polls often have hidden implicit biases due to the nature of their process.
Careful spreading misinformation. This commenter linked the methodology. This is more serious than you'd think
I'm a third-generation immigrant in the UK who grew up in a working class environment. Anti-immigrant rhetoric is common.
You would be surprised how many legal immigrants hate other immigrants. They've been targeted pretty heavily by the propaganda that illegals are getting all kinds of free money and etc
He killed the bill because without it he would lose his single biggest campaign issue.
But it's pretty ridiculous all around when your only options are:
A) Put illegal aliens in concentration camps and prisons
B) Don't enforce immigration laws at all and disband ICE.
In a sane world you would enforce immigration laws but do so in a way that doesn't violate human rights and which considers asylum claims as required under US law and international conventions.
I didn't realize the anti-immigrant sentiment had gotten to this level in so much of the population
I think the causation is backwards here, a lot of low engagement voters just assume that the best policies are somewhere to the left of whatever the GOP wants and to right of whatever the Dems are pushing for, but they keep thinking that even as the Dems move to the right.
Dems were thinking if independents saw that they'd respect the Dems willingness to compromise or whatever, but Indies saw that and just decided "Oh, I guess immigration really is a problem like the Republicans were saying all along, even the Democratic party thinks we need a border wall now."
e; an attempt at better phrasing
Immigrants could commit <10% of the crime of non-immigrants, and contribute >90% more in taxes. It still wouldn't stop them being an outgroup. No fact of immigrants being good for the country they go to can overcome "but they don't belong here", because prejudice is not logical.
Yeah. It's pretty easy to get lost in an echo chamber like lemmy. A lot of folks don't like immigration.
This is more of a comment on the efficacy of having several media apparatus boast unified lies without consequences.
The absolute lack of consequences for blatantly lieing, omitting truth, falsifying information, and ignoring reality is why we are in this mess.
This can definitely be applied to both left and right, but the Left master plan seems to be "tolerance for all" and the Right master plan seems to be some hybrid business/monarchy system that obviously is trying to enslave 99% of the population.
This toss up is only possible with half the population living in an alternate reality without realizing it.
Is it a final solution?
For some. Trump just Goebbels this up.
Pfffff
Look it makes sense to concentrate them...into camps.
And the more that I think about it, militarized camps sounds ominous.
How about a friendlier name, like concentration camps.
They're just like summer camp, but you where you learn to concentrate more better.
Ah ha! Nailed it:
The Better Camps for More Concentration
Arbeit Macht Frei.
We've learned nothing. Humanity might be a lost cause.
Dude, they mostly speak Spanish, not German...But yes, I agree, that would make a great motto for:
The Better Camps for More Concentration
I'm thinking we put a sign up at the gates that reads:
El Trabajo te Hace Libre
Anywho, now we're cooking with gas.
Thanks for the assist!
I guess I'm crazy thinking we should just help them to do what they need to do to become citizens. I work with a few undocumented men and they are just doing what I'm doing, working to take care of my family.
Concentration Camps are NOT Nazi things!
I think you mean not just Nazi things
You're both right.
Nazis had death camps, which are a type of concentration camp.
Concentration camps were what Americans had, when we imprisoned Japanese-American citizens. Apparently, Internment camps are concentration camps for "enemies" and supposedly not meant to imprison a country's own citizens
It shouldn't be hard to understand the benefit of this being confusing and who it benefits. It benefits the people that supported these unreasonable and racist actions and those that have profited off such actions economically and socially
Source, though I didn't read everything
Okay, so militarized detainment camps for people who enter the border is cool, but taking people who orchestrate a coup, lining them up against a brick wall, and having a firing squad go through them is not.
Hard to follow their logic in regard to protecting our great nation
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