cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3752956
Fascism is here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-immigrant-camps
Now do the one on welfare recipients. Plenty of Republicans can be trapped into admitting they think anyone on welfare for too long should be in a work camp.
what
The
Fuck
As long as we are putting people in “militarized camps” can we do that with Republican voters instead of immigrants? I reckon it would have way better effects in society.
Reminds me of someone, i can't seem to remember who
Would it be a certain orange guy?
Black-and-white, mostly, I think.
No wonder Trump killed the bipartisan immigration reform bill. I didn't realize the anti-immigrant sentiment had gotten to this level in so much of the population. It's frankly horrifying.
You would be surprised how many legal immigrants hate other immigrants. They've been targeted pretty heavily by the propaganda that illegals are getting all kinds of free money and etc
I mean, I get it in that case. Legally immigrating is a massive pain in the ass, and costs several thousand dollars.
Or just get married to a citizen
That also costs thousands of dollars not counting the wedding costs
I had recently gotten a campaign spam mail from a conservative candidate that put "people over politics" yet one of their running issues was "supporting vets over illegal immigrants".
Oh yeah. It's why Biden's administration has been the worst yet for immigrants with the sole exception of Trump's. The only actual rollback they did was family separation and long term detention without cause. They fucked Asylees over even harder, and arguably unconstitutionally. They kept Remain in Mexico, just with performative attempts to strike it. They did it the exact same way Trump did his muslim ban, knowing the courts wouldn't allow it.
It turns out a decade of demonization on Fox News has an effect.
I'd love to know more about how that poll was conducted. 22% of democrats? 47% of independents? I'm skeptical that those are really reflective of how prevalent those attitudes are.
Oh no, that's pretty accurate. We lost the information war on immigration pretty horribly. The project to demonize the poor was set back by the pandemic, except for the homeless. So now they're going after the homeless first and they'll be back around for welfare recipients too.
It is not an exaggeration to say we're cannibalizing our marginalized populations for political capital.
Do y'all talk to people day-to-day?
I hear a lot of anti immigrant rhetoric from my immigrant aunts and my more "trashy" or low-class friends (all kids of immigrants)
I've been saying this for more than a decade now, before bots became such a huge thing (I think), if YouTube comments are any reflection of the average person/American, we're so beyond fucked. I absolutely do not practice cynicism
Yep. I think there's a huge amount of left leaning online people in denial.
They keep thinking that they just need to tell people about all these issues and then obviously those people will see it as wrong. Nope, a huge number of their fellow citizens are absolutely aware of this shit and actively approve of it.
Bringing 'awareness' is pointless if the people actually approve of this horrible stuff.
To be clear, I don't think most of these folks fully understand the consequences of supporting fascist politicians. My imm. aunt startled me a bit yesterday when said something like democracy means gay people everywhere. I said that's not true and "reminded" her democracy is a system of gov where citizens can vote, one where women weren't previously able to participate in, nor black citizens.
Still, where does that leave us? No fuckin joke, we basically need to stop trying to use facts to reach certain folks. My understanding is that means we need to use emotions/emotional intelligence. How do we do that? Not sure. Many of us had to numb the fuck out to survive what we call American culture, so we're really just barely learning
How do we now make Americans that kinda hate our guts, because of tons of propaganda, that we care about them and want to work with them to improve our nation? Most libs kinda do come off like they hate them, tbf
Idk if that made sense. Kinda stuck rn
Survey methodology is described in detail here - https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/#page-section-12 (archived at https://ghostarchive.org/archive/FtPGJ)
The margin of error for the national survey is +/- 1.82 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence
Jesus Christ. The methodology actually sounds good. This is... So very, very troubling for our nation.
We've been a deeply racist and violent country for longer than we've been a country. Built on genocide and slavery. We didn't properly address our failures when we had the chance (Civil War should have ended with a new constitution and drastically different political structure to keep militant bigots from gaining power) and now we have this.
Almost 27% identify as independent?
Ive never seen any voting poll that even comes close to that. Majority in the survey are white, 50+, evangelical/mainline christian midwestern/southerners. That demographic doesn't help skew to 27% independent to me. The study posted source and methodology though so I don't know what to say.
Anecdotal, but my father, a white 50+ Christian Midwestern man, has made it very clear he's voting for Trump a third time. He's Republican in every way except on paper, because he's registered independent and identifies as such. So there's that
Edit, Google turns up this as the first result. In fact, every poll and article I found at a cursory gland supported that. Where are you getting your information that most voters aren't independent?
Yeah, OP is forgetting about all those capital-C Conservatives that won't register Republican because the Republicans are too moderate and those that left the party specifically so they can disavow this type of rhetoric but still vote straight (R).
There are a ton of independents that are "inverse RINOs" meaning they are Republicans in everything but name.
Oops! You missed the disclaimer: *of all participants polled, including only individuals who opted in to the poll, on this specific website or streetside polling campus, during these specific hours in the day.
Edit: Apologies if any of this was misleading. I only meant to point out that polls often have hidden implicit biases due to the nature of their process.
Careful spreading misinformation. This commenter linked the methodology. This is more serious than you'd think
He killed the bill because without it he would lose his single biggest campaign issue.
But it's pretty ridiculous all around when your only options are:
A) Put illegal aliens in concentration camps and prisons
B) Don't enforce immigration laws at all and disband ICE.
In a sane world you would enforce immigration laws but do so in a way that doesn't violate human rights and which considers asylum claims as required under US law and international conventions.
Nobody in this race wants to get rid of ICE though.
The actual options are,
A) Put undocumented people and Asylees into camps or;
B) Turn all deportations into 48 hour "expedited removals" and remove any claim to asylum because it's been turned into a catch 22.
(You must apply from the country you're currently in that's not the US. You are not eligible because you felt safe enough to stay in that country during the application process)
There is no option to have an amnesty or get rid of ICE.
I didn't realize the anti-immigrant sentiment had gotten to this level in so much of the population
I think the causation is backwards here, a lot of low engagement voters just assume that the best policies are somewhere to the left of whatever the GOP wants and to right of whatever the Dems are pushing for, but they keep thinking that even as the Dems move to the right.
Dems were thinking if independents saw that they'd respect the Dems willingness to compromise or whatever, but Indies saw that and just decided "Oh, I guess immigration really is a problem like the Republicans were saying all along, even the Democratic party thinks we need a border wall now."
e; an attempt at better phrasing
Immigrants could commit <10% of the crime of non-immigrants, and contribute >90% more in taxes. It still wouldn't stop them being an outgroup. No fact of immigrants being good for the country they go to can overcome "but they don't belong here", because prejudice is not logical.
This is more of a comment on the efficacy of having several media apparatus boast unified lies without consequences.
The absolute lack of consequences for blatantly lieing, omitting truth, falsifying information, and ignoring reality is why we are in this mess.
This can definitely be applied to both left and right, but the Left master plan seems to be "tolerance for all" and the Right master plan seems to be some hybrid business/monarchy system that obviously is trying to enslave 99% of the population.
This toss up is only possible with half the population living in an alternate reality without realizing it.
Look it makes sense to concentrate them...into camps.
And the more that I think about it, militarized camps sounds ominous.
How about a friendlier name, like concentration camps.
They're just like summer camp, but you where you learn to concentrate more better.
Ah ha! Nailed it:
The Better Camps for More Concentration
Arbeit Macht Frei.
We've learned nothing. Humanity might be a lost cause.
That's going to be on the gate of the camps for the homeless and ~~welfare recipients~~ lazy.
Dude, they mostly speak Spanish, not German...But yes, I agree, that would make a great motto for:
The Better Camps for More Concentration
I'm thinking we put a sign up at the gates that reads:
El Trabajo te Hace Libre
Anywho, now we're cooking with gas.
Thanks for the assist!
I guess I'm crazy thinking we should just help them to do what they need to do to become citizens. I work with a few undocumented men and they are just doing what I'm doing, working to take care of my family.
We shouldn't even be enforcing the border this way. You come across, you give a name, a retina photo, fingerprints, and a passport photo. In exchange you receive an ID, a tax ID number, and a booklet containing common laws and workers rights in the US. You are then pointed at the shuttle to the nearest Greyhound Bus Station.
This reduces "illegal entry" to something that only actual criminals need to do. It also solves our employment crisis in construction and agriculture. Our border agents can now focus on stopping actual drugs and criminals instead of normal people who are really scared.
But we can't do this for... Reasons. I've never actually gotten a good reason we couldn't do this.
Okay, so militarized detainment camps for people who enter the border is cool, but taking people who orchestrate a coup, lining them up against a brick wall, and having a firing squad go through them is not.
Hard to follow their logic in regard to protecting our great nation
We're not The Onion! Not affiliated with them in any way! Not operated by them in any way! All the news here is real!
Posts must be:
Comments must abide by the server rules for Lemmy.world and generally abstain from trollish, bigoted, or otherwise disruptive behavior that makes this community less fun for everyone.
And that’s basically it!