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The women ‘cancelling out’ their Trump-loving partners’ votes: ‘No one will ever know’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Trend underlines vast gender divide as election approaches, as experts say some women face pressure to ‘toe the line’ politically at home.

A TikTok trend of women "canceling out" their partners’ votes highlights a gender divide in the 2024 election, with many young women supporting Kamala Harris while their male partners back Trump. Campaigns encourage women, especially those in conservative households, to vote independently, emphasizing privacy through ads featuring voices like Michelle Obama and Liz Cheney. Conservatives like Charlie Kirk and Jesse Watters criticize these efforts, claiming they undermine family values.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 170 points 3 weeks ago

Conservatives like Charlie Kirk and Jesse Watters criticize these efforts, claiming they undermine family values.

So Kirk and Watters (among others, I'm sure) believe that individual voters casting their votes independently based on their own judgment "undermines family values." Got it.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 106 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. The husbands voting for Trump independently really undermines family values.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 74 points 3 weeks ago

It brings up the most damning dichotomy. That women would feel the need to hide their vote for Harris, but men don't feel like they need to hide their vote for Trump. I wonder why that might be.

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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 77 points 3 weeks ago

The irony here is Jesse Waters cheated on his ex wife. So, who's actually undermining family values here? And it ain't the women.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 35 points 3 weeks ago

He is the one that said woman voting independently is "as bad as an affair" as well.

Dude reveling in his shitbaggerity and just winking at the camera. He certainly knows his audience.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

I wish these "men" would take some time off to get help with their issues instead of inflicting them on everybody else.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

They are habitual liars. Nothing they say is in good faith. Charlie is a terrorist who helped finance an attack on the capitol, the article should bring that up if they want to cite him as a reference for anything political.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 148 points 3 weeks ago

STOP. FUCKING. REPUBLICANS.

Look, I know women in these situations often have no easy way to get out from the financial situation they're in, or will be alone and unsafe with a vengeful partner. I feel terribly for anyone in that situation, and if I knew anyone like that personally I would offer to help them.

But don't fuck them in the first place.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, personally, I'm a financially safe option.

But then you'd have to meet me, and to meet me I would need time and energy to get out of the house, and it becomes this whole thing and I'd just rather not

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[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 127 points 3 weeks ago

You want to know why Republicans did a hard course change on mail in voting for 2024?

THIS is why. The husband can ensure the wife fills out her ballot “correctly” in the comfort of their own home, instead of the wife filling it out as she sees fit at the polling station.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago

Oops i spoiled the ballot. Too late to get another one, guess I'll vote in person.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 weeks ago

“Oh, I’m sorry honey! I’ve got plans to be out with the boys guarding the polling station on election day; you’ll have to stay home and take care of the children. Maybe you can vote next time….”

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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 weeks ago

Here in Sweden, you can change your vote even if it is mailed in.

If you vote in person on election day, your earlier vote won't be counted

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 52 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can do that in the US*. My ex had to do it when her dad stole her ballot in 2016 and voted for Trump.

We got the last laugh, though. He was a massive anti masker and then died of COVID. Wasn't really that funny though...just sad all around.

*Edit to add - some places in the US

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago

US election rules are extremely regional, this isn’t true everywhere.

[-] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 13 points 3 weeks ago

Voter suppression is a real disease like gerrymandering.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 107 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If my partner were voting fascist they wouldn't be my partner.

[-] CrazyFrog97@discuss.online 39 points 3 weeks ago

If my partner were voting fascist they would be my partner.

Well they wouldn't be mine!

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

That's what I meant to say. I'm so tired.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

Hydrate. Recreate. Hibernate.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I had chemo for Hodgins this afternoon. Napping with the cats and drinking lots of water.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Oh god that's awful. Yeah you get to miss an n't or two. Be well!

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 97 points 3 weeks ago

claiming they undermine family values.

Oh really? And exactly which values are those? Perhaps that women should obey their husbands commands and be glorified slaves? They can't very well say that quite part out loud yet now can they. That would actually cost them some votes they really can't afford.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 weeks ago

Not even slaves - combination incubators/dishwashers/laundry machines.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

You're sugarcoating religious extremism; just describing an average 1950's housewife...

What they want is Gilead. The sharia law of the Taliban, but Christian!

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I call them Talibangelicals, or Y'all Qaeda

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 76 points 3 weeks ago

My parents have been voting opposite since they met and very rarely had issues. They just don't talk about politics and they've made it work for 40 years. How about be a fucking man stop trying to control your partner. Women had to fight for their right to vote so as far as I'm concerned they can do whatever the fuck they want.

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe it's a generational divide or something, but I would lose my fucking mind if my partner for life were braindead enough to support trump. Maybe Clinton v Dole was just a more reasonable thing to disagree with your spouse about (idk, I wasn't there, and I don't care enough to look into it, don't @ me), but a disagreement in 2024 fundamentally is about democracy v fascism, helping people v hurting people, and decency v shameless petulance. A politically split household in 2024 is not a team or a partnership in any meaningful way. Just fucking get a divorce already because you've clearly married the wrong person! There's absolutely no fucking way I could cohabitate with, let alone share a bed with somebody who wants women, children, immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+ people, and poor people to be punished in every aspect of life for not being financially comfortable, straight, white, cis men. Truly incomprehensible. "But taxes! But gas prices!" No. Just no. You're clearly not actually paying attention if you think that literally anything would be better for you under trump. There would be short term gains at the expense of long term collapse, just like what happened when you gave him the keys last time.

And I don't mean you specifically. Just the rhetorical "you" for anybody it would apply to.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I definitely agree with you there. But my parents are also in their seventies and are set in their ways. My little sister came out as trans and I can obviously tell my dad hates it. My mom doesn't understand it at all so she just avoids the conversation, but she is supportive.

But I also 100% believe that the majority of people voting for Trump don't understand the threat of fascism. The thing about fascism and being in a cult like MAGA is that you don't realize anything is wrong with what you're doing from the inside. They think what they are doing is the right thing to do. Just look up anyone that has escaped from a cult and they will say the same thing. People don't want what they believe to be put into question and will fight tooth and nail to protect it. It's how propaganda works. Like, if someone they trust tells them that Latinos are coming into this country and doing awful things they'd be more inclined to believe them over the stranger they've never met telling them they're stupid for what they believe in.

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[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

It's one thing to have different opinions and another to have a partner that believes a convicted rapist with an unimaginable amount of blood on his hands should lead the fucking army to start mass murdering civilians he doesn't like. The guy is cartoon levels of evil, it's fucking ridiculous.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 12 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah I have to agree.

I'm not in the US, the leader of our conservative party (not presently in power) is a douche but not like Trump.

In the present climate I doubt my partner would vote conservative, but if she did I could live with it.

If she voted for someone as messed up as Trump I would genuinely struggle with that. I feel like it would be indicative of deeper problems.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Thing is people of opposing politics can work together. Trump isn't politics, it's fascism. If we really wanted to see political opposites working together, Republicans could put country first and get rid of Trump with us, once that threat is gone we can go back to being adults with differences

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 67 points 3 weeks ago

They should Cancel out their relationship as well. If your partner is willing to vote away your rights gleefully and you stay with them?! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of people stay in abusive relationships for a long time.

[-] Lennny@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Shit, there's a party that's trying to to make our whole country more of a giant abusive relationship.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

White women are #2 in the hierarchy of structural racism, and they know it, deep down. Whether they admit to it is a whole other scenario.

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[-] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago

it's sad that woman have to hide this from their partners. Everyone should be able to vote how they wish without fear of retaliation.

[-] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if there’s a trump suppoerter out there somewhere who is deathly afraid to tell his liberal wife. What are the chances guys? 0.01%?

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

High, especially if they're younger. Half of Gen Z and 40% of Millennials have lied about who they vote for in what researchers believe is an attempt to not strain work, familial, or social relationships. 27% Democrats, 24% Republican and I think 20% of Independents.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/30/election-gen-z-voting-lies?utm=axios_app

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[-] style99@lemm.ee 42 points 3 weeks ago

The convicted rapist and the couch fucker really planted their flag on Toxic Masculinity hill, didn't they?

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

Jesse Watters criticize these efforts, claiming they undermine family values.

Mr "Family values" man, Watters, is a Fox hypocrite and stooge.
Watters was married to Noelle Inguagiato from 2009 to 2019, and they have twin daughters. Inguagiato left Watters in October, 2017 after he admitted to cheating on her with DiGiovine.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

I do so love this idea, LOL. The impotent rage of a whole lot of redhat douchenozzles....

[-] Juice@midwest.social 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Anarchist socialist antifa liberal democrats have infiltrated MAGA, die mad about it

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

This is how I earned my free gender reassignment coupon.

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 20 points 3 weeks ago

The threat from within! /s

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, I hope they are right, but they seem to be putting an awful lot of faith in the notion that enough women are going to do this in the right zip codes to make a difference.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 30 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, I don't think this is an official campaign strategy or anything. It's just a trend of women independently realizing the GOP is bad for them and their husbands don't care...

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

There are adverts reminding woman that voting is private. It's part of the campaign strategy, but it's not a central part.

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