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submitted 3 hours ago by MicroWave@lemm.ee to c/world@lemmy.world

KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
  • The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
  • Tourists, citizens, and residence permit holders can all be affected by such changes.
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[-] Name@feddit.nu 4 points 1 hour ago

The law proposal doesn't affect citizens (according to the government). So it's a law specifically meant to be unequal.

Citizen? Cheer for terrorists all you want! It's your right!

Non-citizen? Deportion.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 2 points 28 minutes ago

They also want to deport for "bristande vandel", "bad behavior/way of living", which this probably will fall under. In their examples of what constitutes "bristande vandel" one is: being a victim of a crime. Robbed? Deportation. Raped? Deportation.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 16 points 2 hours ago

...and let me guess. Critizing Israel's actions is tacit support of Hezbollah?

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Sweden up until recently had freedom of organization protected in the constitution. This was changed in a recent constitutional amendment at the request of Turkey, as a prerequisite to join NATO. Turkey demanded that Sweden arrest "PKK members" (aka journalists that Erdogan doesn't like), and to show support, both the Andersson and Kristersson administrations revived a constitutional amendment from 2021 and pushed it through, making it illegal to be a member of a terrorist organization.

https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2021/03/sou-202115/

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220628-trilat-memo.pdf

https://lagen.nu/2022:666

It's really an unfortunate development, since the terms "terrorist organization" and "support to terrorism" is so poorly defined, and it's clearly intended to punish political opposition in dictatorships, like Turkish and Kurdish opposition in Turkey. Very much a chilling effect on political discussion when foreign political oppositions are banned from speaking in Sweden, even when racist hate groups are still allowed to speak.

It does seem that the current law is still quite limited, at least. The Terrorist crime law of 2022 (Terroristbrottslagen) outlaws support, propagandizing, and recruiting for terrorist organizations, but this seems to be limited to only material support, organized propaganda and organization leadership. Simply going around waving a PKK flag still is legal, for now.

https://www.ui.se/utrikesmagasinet/analyser/2023/juli/terrorlagar-domstolar-far-bedoma-flaggviftning/

So luckily, I don't think it's possible to be deported simply for expressing expressing pro-Kurdish or pro-Palestinian independence ideas, or even expressing support for the violent people in PKK or Hamas.

Johan Forssell has also expressed a wish for a new law making it illegal to be in a criminal gang, but this has not passed yet. His view on the ongoing wars with Israel seems to be that Israel "has a right to defend itself", but that civilians must be protected and receive aid.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 2 hours ago

Close. It makes you a Hamas headquarters.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Hope nobody here supports Nelson Mandela.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Best deport all Swedish politicians in parliament in 1990: https://archive.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/za-com-mr-s-24 And the party that this minister is in was against supporting the ANC and Mandela. So I would not be surprised if this argument won't move him.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago

It doesn't matter where in the world you are, the issue with forcibly deporting people is always the same: what do you do if the country you want to deport them to refuses to take them?

And the only answers I can see are let them go free in your country or keep them locked up indefinitely.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

And it's kind if shitty to try to just throw the problem at another country.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

That is true. The swedish government is pushing quite hard to overfill prisons, probably in a long term plan to force it towards privatization. So I would not be surprised if it is even part of the plan.

But, also, I think one strategy suggested is just paying them. Threaten with prison, see at what price they break.

Find a third country is also possible, but can be difficult for terrorist supporters.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

It can be difficult period. Why should any country take immigrants your country doesn't want for any reason?

And "terrorist supporter" could be a very broad category. Are you a terrorist supporter if you support resistance against Israeli troops in Gaza? Because Israel and some of its allies would say yes.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 1 points 1 hour ago

Is the BDS movement classified as a terrorist organisation? What about ANTIFA?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

The same minister probably:

That party who are against me, I'd call them terrorists!

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Wtf is going on sweden?

How big of an issue can this be lol

Did all "terrorist" just moved there for some reason?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 54 minutes ago
[-] Name@feddit.nu 1 points 4 minutes ago

This is not related. You're giving a list of gang violence, this is about terrorism.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

And yet Israel supporters will be fine.

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 hour ago

It aint a genocide when the lords "chosen" people do on "their" land.

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io -4 points 2 hours ago

When you look the other way while Gaza hosts Hamas, and Lebanon hosts Hezbollah, and Syria hosts Iranian weapons shipments, when they all attack Israel with Iranian funded rockets and incursions, the fucking around part, and only pipe up when Israel responds in the attempt to defend itself and wipe out it's enemies, because it's enemies are embedded in civilian populations for the sole reason of ginning up your support when Israel is forced to respond, the finding out part, then you're a supporter of Terrorism.

If the fucking around part doesn't get you to speak up, but only the finding out part does, bad news, you're an antisemite.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Hamas are Palestinians, hizbollah are Lebanese. Hosting arms in Syria is just like the USA having bases all over the world. Resistance groups in history committed many atrocities against civilians due to the lack of justice. The occupying power will always be responsible for everything happening to them. Don't colonize people and expect the oppressed to be nice to you

[-] Name@feddit.nu 0 points 1 hour ago

No, it does not mean you're an antisemite.

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