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I Want to Give Up (lemmy.sdf.org)
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[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 32 points 8 hours ago

Congratulations America! Corruption, greed and hate just won.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 54 points 10 hours ago

Many terrible things are coming, but my heart is aching for Ukraine this morning...

[-] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

And Palestine. Shit is going to get uglier than it was already.

[-] Zenjal@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I was thinkin, the funds an such were sending to Ukraine is gonna jus scribbled out an resent to Israel on 1/22/25

[-] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 hours ago

This is my biggest fear as well.

We in Europe need to focus on our own security and military future without being to dependant on our unstable partner overseas.
He won fair and square, which means that this was not just some fluke. It can and probably will happen again in the future.

If the GOP asks Ukraine to surrender what they have lost, I hope both Zelensky and we as Europe collectively give him a fat middle finger in return.
Russia must lose!

[-] SonOfMothman@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

stolen election, fake news, time to throw a hissy fit and storm the capital and then blame the feds like a pussy… I mean is there any other way to handle this?

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

Just need to convince the VP not to certify the results.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 248 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yeah, I'm giving up after this.

The Democratic party just can't deal with the stupidity and racism that is the American population.

I mean for fucks sake, Black and Latino voters increased their votes for Trump this time around.

Just time to hang up the hat and let America burn.

Also:

Biden got 81,282,916 votes

Harris got 66,153,556 votes

Americans didn't even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again. Yeah, there's no saving this democracy.

[-] t_chalco@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

Americans didn’t even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again.>

Absolutely. Trump did not have a significant bump in votes, 10 million voters did not turn out, or so early figures show. Of them, it's largely white suburban males. Apathy leads to populism. Dr. King had something to say about white liberals...

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Sure but at the same time Blacks and Latinos made significant bumps to the Trump vote here too. I would have to imagine that Dr. Kind would have some choice words for them too.

[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 41 points 12 hours ago

Maybe a lot of Democrats also dislike women in power and black people. Maybe the American people, regardless of the party they say they support, are still very conservative. This is not an unpopular opinion outside the USA.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago

Yes. That is the ultimate conclusion for me as well. The American people voted for racism and sexism, because they are racist and sexist. America can’t do better because this is the best we have. Trump represents conservatives. It’s really confusing because his actions aren’t conservative… but here we are.

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[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 93 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Don't forget they are going to intentionally force us back to coal and oil, and stifle all transitions to cleaner energy. So really how bad could it be

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 49 points 13 hours ago

Oh yeah, the world is pretty fucked here. We're at a tipping point for climate disaster.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago

Today is a dark day. But, I will say this...

When the world gets dark, new lights often appear. It's a funny thing, but good people tend to be quiet and reserved. It's the anger of the patient person, and the good people pushed too far, that often can incite the most change. As Mr. Rogers' mother famously told him - look for the helpers when you see scary things unfold.

It's time for the helpers.

I hope everyone reading this understands what this means. We must help now. Don't look for the helpers, because we aren't children, as Fred Roger's once was...

Protect the people around you, especially the vulnerable and those at the most risk. Do it at the cost of your safety and well-being.

Cruelty has won a great battle today, but it can't win the war without a fight.

[-] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 7 hours ago

Tough times make tough people

Tough people make easy times.

Easy times make weak people.

Weak people make tough times. <--------We are here.

Tough times make Tough people <------ Your light of hope.

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[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 64 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Every day I look back at one day I had in 2016 when I felt like killing myself and wonder why I didn't just fucking do it.

I'm sure in ten years, I'll look back on this and... wish I had done it now.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 37 points 10 hours ago

Don't do it. We're going to need to help each other through what's coming, and I'll absolutely fight for your rights, whoever you are.

[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 28 points 12 hours ago

I wish I had been aborted. This place is a shithole and has since before I arrived.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 27 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I've never agreed with the professor more than I do now. At least he actually has the option!

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 158 points 16 hours ago

Whatever you do, don't blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That's just human nature after all

[-] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 54 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.

Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them "You have to vote for me because I'm not the other guy!"

Y'all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn't working for them anymore.

They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don't feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, "No, no, they're worse, trust us, they're worse, they're worse."

They've spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they're seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump's ass and decided to give Kamala's a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she's projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what's necessary to defend themselves.

So we've had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat's constituency already didn't like. He dropped out but didn't leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, "Hey, you have to vote for us because we're not fascist."

If the American people, people in general, don't feel like they're being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don't drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there's plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.

But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don't face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn't care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.

So now I pose this question to you, and I'm genuinely asking, this isn't an "I gotcha, I am so smart!"

If a person doesn't feel represented by their government regardless of who's in power, and your life doesn't drastically improve under either candidate, well... What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?

[-] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 23 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You can say this but when a republican policy is "drill for more oil" and a democratic policy is "focus on clean energy," one is easier, cheapens prices, and has readily apparent effects. Many democrat policies are long term goals that people won't notice, and might even hurt them in the short term, but they need to be done. Medicare will increase taxes, supporting Ukraine and not taking Russian oil increases prices, and most people agree these policies are good things. Yet what is the biggest complaint under Biden? Skyrocketing inflation, because the average voter doesn't care about policy they just care how it affects their lives.

You're asking for an impossible solution if you want the party of "this is a hard decision but will benefit us all in the future" to have the same draw as "here's cheaper prices NOW, we'll ignore the future." Not to mention as you already said republicans will block any and all attempts at real change. It's completely unfair that even if 90% of a democrat candidate's platform is beneficial, that's not good enough since they don't have the short-term effects to wow people with. If democratic policies reduced prices and republican policies increased them (say, swap the stances on oil and climate), we could have a literal potato as the candidate and people would run to vote for it.

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[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 11 hours ago

What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?

Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things. Republicans wanted to round us up into camps.

Voters had an opportunity to prevent a christo-fascist dictatorship and they didn't take it. Moving things to the left in this country has always involved voting. Losing our democracy doesn't improve the Democratic Party. If there is another election, which we can't count on, Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They've done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.

Democrats could not care less about appealing to nonvoters or third party voters. They only care about winning, which is probably part of why they suck at it.

Voting should be a mechanical choice during elections. If people want better candidates, organize, and do the work to get grassroots movements off the ground between elections.

Instead of picking a strategy based on a subjective morality people should consider analyzing strategies based on their utility.

If a strategy advances a goal it's useful. If it doesn't, it's not. Voting for the Democrats demonstrates a wider voting base for them to move to the left. Moving Democrats to the left is the goal so this strategy is useful. Protest voting takes votes away from the Democrats so they look for voters on the right. This accomplishes the opposite of the goal so this strategy is not useful.

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[-] x00z@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago

Why don't you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 52 points 13 hours ago

We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%.

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[-] meliaesc@lemmy.world 33 points 12 hours ago

Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it's harder to whip us into a full revolution.

[-] pinkystew@reddthat.com 10 points 10 hours ago

The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That's why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They've learned how to prevent us from revolting.

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago

If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post...

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[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Stop the planet and let me get off

[-] Zier@fedia.io 147 points 17 hours ago

Don't give up, just don't be nice to republicans. And make sure to harass the next administration for our rights. Fucking racist rapist criminals.

[-] gramie@lemmy.ca 21 points 13 hours ago

What rights do you really have when there is a Supreme Court that will allow them to be trampled?

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[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 121 points 17 hours ago

Well, good news I guess, with the way the climate is gonna go now you won't be living long at all.

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