Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks (www.reuters.com)

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[-] don@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

You casts your vote, you takes your choice. And you takes the consequences of your utterly braindead choice.

I can’t figure out how the fuck any Muslim even barely knowledgeable of trump doesn’t know that as a republican, his whole platform is built on the backs of Israel-worshipping US Christians. They, like many other groups, may as well be lambs voting for the wolf.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Glad their nominee is doing exactly what he said he would. /s

[-] Moops@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Right!? I've been so confused by the notion of Trump being the anti-Israel vote. That's not what I heard him say.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I had someone arguing at me here, with the supreme confidence of the ignorant, that trump and Harris would be the same for Palestineans.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I thought those accounts went dormant after the election. Maybe there's still some OpenAI credit left on the controller?

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

One of those dumb fucks already responded here.

But Id like to think they're AI instead of just mind numbingly stupid.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

They are trying to foment division among trump's opposition, the disinfo machines never stop until there is a civil war or collapse.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago

I mean yeah he would be/is, at least until Israel's genocide is over. There is literally nothing Trump can do (at least while beholden to the public and Congress) in this war that Biden hasn't already done.

[-] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 0 points 8 months ago

Trump is beholden to the public?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago

I mean he is to an extent. Everyone is talking like the fascist project in America is finished, but it's not and there's no guarantee they'll be able to complete it. That said it's mostly Congress doing the heavy lifting here; there are enough sane Republicans that Trump wouldn't be able to get away with some of the more outrageous stuff.

[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I would love to see the list of Republicans in Congress whose districts/states WEREN'T carried by pro-Trump zealots and who WOULDN'T lose their seats if they went against Trump.

Hint: it could fit on an index card, double spaced

[-] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago

I I genuinely wonder what would change? What's worse than denying and backing the genocide with weapons, soldiers and money under Biden? What worse could Trump do?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

The current issues will end, Biden was at least making noises to get it to stop, Biden was trying to prevent the regional war Iran has been working on, and there were decent indications there would be recovery funding.

Trump indicated none of that and all signs point to encouraging more atrocity

[-] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago

Trying to stop a genocide is trying to start a regional war ? You guys have an extremely skewed view of the world.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

The West Bank, where roughly half of Palestineans live was more or less left alone as one of yhr administrations red lines (also, Iran's oil/nuclear facilities.)

With trump incoming, it seems Israel feels they have a green light to expand in the West Bank.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago

Israel have been aggressively expanding in the West Bank since October 7, and intensified their campaign at around the same time they started the war with Lebanon. There are no red lines.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

What new settlements happened thete in the last year? You are conflating an increase in tensions and conflict with expansion.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago

Uh.... Here you go.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

From the article:

In the past year, about 4,555 Palestinians have been displaced in the West Bank after Israeli forces demolished their homes.

Now, I'm no mathematician but surely you understand that's orders of magnitude fewer than have been displaced in Gaza, right? Please?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago

Yes, because violence in the West Bank has always been lower-level than the violence in Gaza. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make is.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Always does not mean "since I started paying attention" but regardless...

Anyway, you're so close! Let's tey the socratic method, given that the West Bank has been an Israeli target for years, why do you think the violence has been at such a lower level than Gaza since the rapes and murders of Oct 7th?

And why did that coincidentally change days after the election, with Smoterich now directing "the start of professional work to prepare the necessary infrastructure to apply Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria."

If you're ruling out Biden etc, was it just a wild miracle of timing?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 0 points 8 months ago

Always does not mean "since I started paying attention" but regardless...

Huh? Are we even talking about the same conflict? This has been the case since 2005 when Israel disengaged from Gaza.

why do you think the violence has been at such a lower level than Gaza since the rapes and murders of Oct 7th?

Uh... Because there's no resistance worth mentioning in the West Bank? They don't need to do much for their colonial project in the West Bank, but if settlers tried entering Gaza they'd just be shot.

And why did that coincidentally change days after the election, with Smoterich now directing "the start of professional work to prepare the necessary infrastructure to apply Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria."

It didn't change, but that aside he might've felt emboldened to say it out loud, but we still don't know if the rest of the Israeli government will allow that. In case they do anytime soon, the only conclusion would be that there were plans for such an action from before the election.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Look, if you understand the simmering West Bank conflict and slow annexation then it's even sillier to try and argue that trump and Harris mean the same thing for Palestinians, which was the entire point of the original comment.

Under trump, it looks like that project might finally get finished, whereas a Harris Biden administration was at the very least basically keeping the status quo intact.

Ideally, as tik tok has taught many progressives that Palestine exists and is worthy of care, you could see progressives voting (okay, but a man can dream) in the Democratic 2026 primaries and moving towards a 2 state solution. That is in now way realistic under a trump administration and once the annexation is finished, there isn't a going back.

but that aside he might’ve felt emboldened to say it out loud,

Yeah, almost like it was something he wasn't able to say or pursue during a Biden administration. Of course there were plans but being able to act on them required trump to win.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago

whereas a Harris Biden administration was at the very least basically keeping the status quo intact.

Which is... not exactly something to be proud of since the only difference between what they're trying to do and the status quo is what things are names. It's not exactly a good thing, but also not the gotcha you think it is.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

That's an impressively self centered privileged possible view.

"Sure, a lot of you are going to die but I think it would have happened either way so there's no difference between Harris and trump."

Especially when you factor in the Left's newfound support for Palestine and that there would presumably be support to push for changing the status quo, this somehow manages to be an even dumber take.

the only difference between what they’re trying to do and the status quo is what things are names.

That's just nonsense. One is likely the end of the road for Palestineans in the West Bank, the other at least has chances for an alternative.

It's as dumb as arguing that climate change would be the same under either President because you don't think things will change.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago

"Sure, a lot of you are going to die but I think it would have happened either way so there's no difference between Harris and trump."

Uh... Nobody's going to die because of this particular action. They're trying to annex settlements, which are basically already governed as Israeli territory. This is unrelated to the expansion of settlements, which is part of the status quo Harris wasn't going to change.

Especially when you factor in the Left's newfound support for Palestine and that there would presumably be support to push for changing the status quo, this somehow manages to be an even dumber take.

The left's newfound support that the Democratic establishment has been completely ignoring? There was no changing the status quo under Harris let's not kid ourselves.

It's as dumb as arguing that climate change would be the same under either President because you don't think things will change.

These are literally the same statement. In this case the assumption isn't wrong, because while Harris would likely keep Biden's policies Trump is going to change a lot of things for the worse, but if you assume that things won't change under either administration then climate change would be the same under either president.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

In this case the assumption isn’t wrong, because while Harris would likely keep Biden’s policies Trump is going to change a lot of things for the worse, but if you assume that things won’t change under either administration then climate change would be the same under either president.

This might literally be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

"Sure, things will be different but then if you assume things won't change then they're the same."

I feel dumber for having interacted with you, I'm done.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago

"Sure, things will be different but then if you assume things won't change then they're the same."

I mean you're the one who said "this is as dumb as saying things won't change because I think won't change".

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Whoever told you that was lying, they've been bombing and expanding settlements in the west bank at an unprecedented rate since Oct 7th. They even bombed Bethlehem on Christmas.

https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+bombs+west+bank

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You uhhh, might want to read some of the articles that pop up under that search:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/11/far-right-israeli-minister-orders-preparations-for-west-bank-annexation

Though yes, Israel has done some bombing in West Bank I don't think anyone who has seriously followed the conflict would say that the actions in the West Bank have been in any way comparable to the scope and devastation in Gaza. (Admittedly, unsure what Tik Tok is saying.)

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Here, lets search for Israel ministers saying that shit before the election:

https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+west+bank+annexation&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2023%2Ccd_max%3A11%2F04%2F2024&tbm=

The Biden administration has not placed, nor will they place any limitations on Israel.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Are you reading any of these and actually not noticing the difference between what's being said before and after the election?

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

They were saying they were going to annex the west bank before the election, they are saying they are going to annex the west bank now. There is no difference.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

If you honestly don't understand the difference between saying "Netenyahu must order an annexation" or "our legislators will need to pursue this" and "“I have directed the start of professional work to prepare the necessary infrastructure to apply Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria" well, that's on you kid.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

»» They even bombed Bethlehem on Christmas.

WOW! While I am not surprised, I cannot believe that anyone calling themselves a Christian can still throw their support behind that wretched state.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

When I mentioned that to one of my republican family, they simply refused to believe it and blamed Hamas.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm not.

A significant percentage of likely Democratic voters in several states voted "undecided" in the primaries with the public, stated purpose of making it clear to Biden/Harris that they wanted changes with regard to US policy on Israel's genocide.

Biden/Harris ignored them.

Of course they didn't get those votes. It's one thing to double-down on bombing kids. It's another to double-down on bombing kids and also tell voters to go fuck themselves.

[-] Moops@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I hope the decision turns out well for them.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

lol what a bunch of morons! They should have stuck to voting for the pro-israel democratic party!!!!!

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

"Trump won because of us and we're not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others," said Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump.

Nazarko said the community would continue pressing to make its voices heard after rallying votes to help Trump win. "At least we're on the map."

Hate to break it to him, but Team Trump's plan is for Gaza to be completely off the map.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

I am not shocked. I am not shocked at anything anymore. It's like the South American dude who said he would still love Trump even if Trump deported him and his entire family...

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago

Rola Makki, the Lebanese American, Muslim vice chair for outreach of the Michigan Republican Party, shrugged off the criticism. "I don't think everyone's going to be happy with every appointment Trump makes, but the outcome is what matters," she said. "I do know that Trump wants peace, and what people need to realize is that there's 50,000 dead Palestinians and 3,000 dead Lebanese, and that's happened during the current administration."

And trump will let Netanyahu wipe all the Palestinians off the map and murder even more Lebanese. I hope it's all worth it to you.

[-] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago

1.Oh no ! I am totally completely sure Harris wasn't gonna do the same! If only she won ! the Palestinian genocide that was backed and aided under Biden and her would've continued as usual, but uhhh.... Yeah....

2.Their face was already being eaten and voting to change who's eating it was probably more of "fuck you ! Get eaten too fuckers". If and only if there's a big number of Muslim voters that instead of simply abstaining from voting decided to vote Trump out of spite, but this lead me to my third point.

TimesofIsrael isn't the most reliable source to get info about muslims. I would guess you wouldn't have had read the "Nazi daily" to get info about the jewish population in WW2.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

this is from reuters, you should check the other post, which copies reuters, but throws away the links.

And yea, Harris had a 20% chance to stop the war (I guess now we'll never know), whereas with trump you had a 99% chance that Palestine is gone from the map.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

The 20% you speak of is pure cope, nothing more. The messaging was consistent and it was a huge "fuck you".

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How would you know? trump won and you know what he's gonna do, did you ever consider that was a possibility? Contributing to his victory was the greatest gift to bibi for his atrocities.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because we just had a Biden term and a year of escalation happening, with no actual steps to stop it. Only PR moves like the pier, that was only there for the IDF, not for the aid. Then we had the campaign, with messaging being "we don't care about Palestine" and nothing else.

Like, holy shit, you could just as well say "how would you know Trump is going to be bad for Palestine?" and it would be exactly as nonsensical - because we have the pattern of behavior from earlier and the campaigning. Harris embraced Biden's politics instead of distancing herself from them, it's that simple.

Right now Biden is unburdened by a presidential campaign. He could do whatever he wants, or at least try to. He is trying to send as much weapons to Ukraine as possible (which is great don't get me wrong). He is acting. Yet jack shit is done with Palestine because there is no political will to do anything.

And all of this because of people who tried to push "go vote for her anyway". As if we are in some bizzarro world where a party gets people's votes for not doing what the people want them to do.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Whatever, it's done now. Live with your choice and the consequences.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Sure, just don't complain that Biden or Harris would've been different on Palestine.

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