Bombcock, bombcock,
send your asshole into shock ...
Let me go further: spikes.
Anything can be a dildo if you are brave enought
This destroys the butthole.
Ooh, bonus shrapnel!
SPIKES
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Thanks chief
baseball.
The average American could be expected to already know how to throw a baseball, so it was easier to change the equipment to fit the user than to train every fucking soldier how to throw a lopsided stick.
That and all the other reasons. The only stick grenades still around in appreciable numbers are anti-armor grenades where the handle has a parachute inside. For normal fragmentation grenades, essentially everyone has moved to non-stick grenades (except the USMC who want to make stick grenades).
Even in WW2, the Germans produced more of the boring looking Model 39 grenades than they did of the iconic and eye catching stick grenades. People notice what they want to notice.
That's a reason for then not now.
Better question is then why didn't Germany stick with the old design instead of switching to more "modern" looking grenades?
And the answer is NOT "baseball". The answer is that they're too heavy and cumbersome. And the cons outweighs the pros.
It's actually that they're more expensive when you add the frag jacket to them. There cheaper to produce but logistically more expensive being larger and multi part.
The Germans did have hand grenades without a stick. Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.
I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.
Also they're way bigger, taking more space in storage and when in transport
We have grenade launchers now.
Someone needs to make one that fires the stick grenades. At 3500 RPM.
Yeah, the basic premise for these things is that they have a smaller radius, but you can throw them further, so the enemy has to deal with it exactly the same, but since the radius is smaller and you threw it further, it gives you a much larger space in which you can advance and not worry about shrapnel. Basically lob a couple and while you don't have to deal with so much suppressive fire, advance and find cover and do it all over again.
For defensive scenarios, you generally aren't advancing, you're just wanting the enemy to not advance, so a pineapple works just as well, if not better. It gives you a big boom, and psychologically that gives you an edge. You might also get flushed out and wind up in close quarters kinds of environments where the grenade on a stick just doesn't work, but the pineapple is easy enough to lob out of a window or bunker or around a corner. In any sort of urban or close quarters environment you'd want the flexibility of a baseball as opposed to throwing a bat.
Kind of a trench war novelty, but they've evolved to be more of an antiarmor thing - throw a parachute on it so it's aligned vertically, make it detonate when it lands, make it blow straight down as opposed to all over the place, and try to get that thing to land on a tank
Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations
A minor addendum, the M24 and M43 stick grenades both had fragmentation sleeves produced for them. These could be quickly fitted over the grenades to change them from offensive to defensive grenades. Similar to the RGD-33 stick grenades used by the Soviets.
I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.
The difference between offensive and defensive grenades is defined by how much fragmentation they produce. Without a fragmentation sleeve, a German stick grenade produces blast and concussion but very minimal fragmentation, making it's practical danger area smaller. This is good for an offensive grenade where the person throwing it likely has less cover than the person receiving it. A defensive grenade produces fragmentation, and is desired when the person throwing it has cover to hide behind safely.
The non-stick grenade commonly used by the Germans in WW2, was the Model 39 ("egg grenade"), and it actually came in both offensive and defensive flavors. So really, either a stick or egg grenade could be used for either role.
defensive grenades
Yes, and?
I can carry 8 modern hand grenades, or 2 of those things.
We should use those ball throwers for dogs. Imagine the distance you could get! Then you could have 8 normal grenades and throw them stupid distances.
3/4 of volume is taken by wood, what are you, russian logistics officer?
also no way to attach spoon-type igniter, this thing is properly ancient design
The fun part is they used to be shipped without the ignitor installed so a lot of the duds were simply because people didn't follow instructions and didn't grab the little tin filled with ignitors.
soviet pattern grenades are shipped disassembled even today, but it's kinda harder to miss that you don't have the entire pin and spoon mechanism
Yep, with potato mashers they were inside and hidden.
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I’ve seen the videos of boot instructors being rightfully paranoid that the boots are gonna drop the live grenades during training, I feel like adding these into the mix would straight up give them heart attacks.
Can give you pleasure
Idk, the round ones do just fine for me, just a bit different form of pleasure.
How about just clubbing someone with a live explosive?
>can give you pleasure
Are we saying blowing stuff up is fun, or telling you to go fuck yourself with a grenade?
Yes.
Too many people tried using them as hammers.
TNT filler is very stable. It's fine. I mean, the grenades would not be great as hammers, but they won't explode at a touch.
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