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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Probably because they're not checking them

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

in my use case, the hallucinations are a good thing. I write fiction, in a fictional setting that will probably never actually become a book. If i like what gpt makes up, I might keep it.

Usually, I'll have a conversation going into detail about a subject, this is me explaining the subject to gpt, then having gpt summarize everything it learned about the subject. I then plug that summary into my wiki of lore that nobody will ever see. Then move on to the next subject. Also gpt can identify potential connections between subjects that I didn't think about, and wouldn't have if it didn't hallucinate them.

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Because in a lot of applications you can bypass hallucinations.

  • getting sources for something
  • as a jump off point for a topic
  • to get a second opinion
  • to help argue for r against your position on a topic
  • get information in a specific format

In all these applications you can bypass hallucinations because either it's task is non-factual, or it's verifiable while promoting, or because you will be able to verify in any of the superseding tasks.

Just because it makes shit up sometimes doesn't mean it's useless. Like an idiot friend, you can still ask it for opinions or something and it will definitely start you off somewhere helpful.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Also just searching the web in general.

Google is useless for searching the web today.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Not if you want that thing that everyone is on about. Don't you want to be in with the crowd?! /s

[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

so, basically, even a broken clock is right twice a day?

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Yes, but for some tasks mistakes don't really matter, like "come up with names for my project that does X". No wrong answers here really, so an LLM is useful.

[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago

great value for all that energy it expends, indeed!

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago

Can't agree

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 20 hours ago

The energy expenditure for GPT models is basically a per-token calculation. Having it generate a list of 3-4 token responses would barely be a blip compared to having it read and respond entire articles.

There might even be a case for certain tasks with a GPT model being more energy efficient than making multiple google searches for the same. Especially considering all the backend activity google tacks on for tracking users and serving ads, complaining about someone using a GPT model for something like generating a list of words is a little like a climate activist yelling at someone for taking their car to the grocery store while standing across the street from a coal-burning power plant.

[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

... someone using a GPT model for something like generating a list of words is a little like a climate activist yelling at someone for taking their car to the grocery store while standing across the street from a coal-burning power plant.

no, it's like a billion people taking their respective cars to the grocery store multiple times a day each while standing across the street from one coal-burning power plant.

each person can say they are the only one and their individual contribution is negligible. but get all those drips together and you actually have a deluge of unnecessary wastage.

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[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 day ago

How is that faster than just picking a random name? Noone picks software based on name.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And yet virtually all of software has names that took some thought, creativity, and/or have some interesting history. Like the domain name of your Lemmy instance. Or Lemmy.

And people working on something generally want to be proud of their project and not name it the first thing that comes to mind, but take some time to decide on a name.

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[-] onionsinmypores@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No, maybe more like, even a functional clock is wrong every 0.8 days.
https://superuser.com/questions/759730/how-much-clock-drift-is-considered-normal-for-a-non-networked-windows-7-pc

The frequency is probably way higher for most LLMs though lol

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org -3 points 13 hours ago

Eh I just let it write my bash scripts. A bit of trial and error with ChatGPT beats having to read the ffmpeg or imagemagick docs.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Because most people are too lazy to bother with making sure the results are accurate when they sound plausible. They want to believe the hype, and lack critical thinking.

[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I don't want to believe any hype! I just want to be able to ask "hey Chatgtp, I'm looking for a YouTube video by technology connections where he discusses dryer heat pumps." And not have it spit out "it's called "the neat ways your dryer heat pumps save energy!"

And it is not, that video doesn't exist. And it's even harder to disprove it on first glance because the LLM is mimicing what Alex would have called the video. So you look and look with your sisters very inefficient PS4 controller-to-youtube interface... And finally ask it again and it shy flowers you....

But I swear he talked about it ?!?! Anyone?!?

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

He hasn't

I think in a recent video he mentioned he will soon, but he hasn't done a video with even a segment on heat pumps in dryers yet

Fairly confident in this, recently finished a rewatch of basically all his content

[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Damn it... I was sure he mentioned them briefly in one of his heat pump videos but I trust you over Chatgtp...

He should do a video! I am constantly enchanted by his heat pump explainers... I don't know why but it's one of those concepts that's just a bit out of my wheelhouse. So I always "knew" how it worked. But the lightbulb moment. The aha! Pure crack.

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I only use it for complex searches with results I can usually parse myself like ''list 30 typical household items without descriptions or explainations with no repeating items'' kind of thing.

[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

great value for all that energy it expends, indeed!

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They're trying not to lose money on the developments

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 19 hours ago

I usually tell it "using only information found on applicationwebsite.com " that works pretty well at least to get me in the ballpark to find the answer I'm looking for.

[-] callcc@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

It's usually good for ecosystems with good and loads of docs. Whenever docs are scarce the results become shitty. To me it's mostly a more targeted search engine without the crap (for now)

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Big businesses know, they even ask people like me to add extra measures in place. I like to call it the concorde effect. Youre trying to make a plane that can shove air out of the way faster than it wants to move, and this takes an enormous amount of energy that isn't worth the time save, or the cost. Even if you have higher airspeed when it works, if your plane doesn't make it to destination it isn't "faster".

We hear a lot about the downsides of AI, except that doesn't fit the big corpo narrative and people don't care enough really. If youre just a consumer who has no idea how this really works, the investments companiess make into shoving it everywhere makes it seem like it's not a problem and it looks like there's only AI hype and no party poopers.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Remember when you had to have extremely niche knowledge of "banks" in a microcontroller to be able to use PWM on 2 pins with different frequencies?

Yes, I remember what a pile of shit it was to try and find out why xyz is not working while x and y and z work on their own. GPT usually gets me there after some tries. Not to mention how much faster most of the code is there, from A to Z, with only little to tweak to get it where I want (since I do not want to be hyper specific and/or it gets those details wrong anyway, as would a human without massive context).

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world -3 points 17 hours ago

Because realistically, that time is zero.

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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Gippity is pretty good at getting me 90% of the way there.

It usually sets me up with at least all the terms and etc I now know to google, whereas before I wouldnt even know what I am looking for in the first place.

Also not gonna lie, search engines are even worse than gippity for accuracy often.

And Ive had to fight with so many cases of garbage documentation lately that gippity genuinely does the job better, because it has all the random comments from issues and solutions in its data.

Usually once I have my sort of key terms I need to dig into, I can use youtube/google and get more specific information though, and thats the last 10%

[-] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

What are you talking about? I don’t verify anything that ChatGPT gives me.

[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You have to understand it well enough to know what stuff you can rely on. On the other hand nowadays there are often sources there, so it's easy to check.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

In another thread, I was curious about the probability of reaching the age of 60 while living in the US.

Google gave me an assortment of links to people asking similar questions on Quora, and to some generic actuarial data, and to some totally unrelated bullshit.

ChatGPT gave me a multi-paragraph response referencing its data sources and providing both a general life expectancy and a specific answer broken out by gender. I asked ChatGPT how it reached this answer, and it proceeded to show its work. If I wanted to verify the work myself, ChatGPT gave me source material to cross-check and the calculations it used to find the answer. Google didn't even come close to answering the question, much less producing the data it used to reach the answer.

I'm as big an AI skeptic as anyone, but it can't be denied that generic search engines have degraded significantly. I feel like I'm using Alta Vista in the 90s whenever I query Google in the modern day. The AI systems do a marginally better job than old search engines were doing five years ago, before enshittification hit with full force.

It sucks that AI is better, but it IS better.

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