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[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just glancing at the abstract and not having read the paper- looks interesting. Author is trying to do a Marxist analysis of the texts vis-a-vis settler colonialism, with Goblin Slayer as a reactionary re-framing of standard isekai power fantasies (for example, in something like SAO the labour of the protagonist is always rewarded and he is thus non-alienated). What I'm curious is 1) how the author will reckon with other isekai that had their narratives centered on colonialism like Gate or Shield Hero and 2) the relative utility of such criticism of culture/entertainment/soft-power, because as much as they might flatter themselves terminally online weebs aren't the drivers of fascism, it's the politicians who get got by :the-doohickey: (after all, superstructure follows base).

I'll come back and comment more later when I have some time to read thru.

Edit: Ok, having skimmed thru it: 1) he doesn't, rather he just wanted to point out that in general isekai power fantasies are the fantasies of the oppressed proletariat yearning for the end of alienation from their labour with Goblin Slayer as the reaction to the emptiness of that fantasy and 2) his scope was much smaller than I anticipated, my man just wanted any excuse to quote J. Sakai’s Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat.

But most importantly, as the crisis of the system awakens the global proletariat, the ideological justification for keeping it down becomes more and more genocidal. Goblin Slayer emphatically reminds its fans of this fact with vigor.

I like the cut of his jib, author go on Chapo.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It sucks for so many people to be so deeply trapped inside capitalist realism that they take refuge in fantasies that ostensibly provide ego-insert protagonists that escape the worst of such misery, but instead of simply enjoying a fictionalized better way of life it's all about using capitalist power systems and exploitation to inflict the worst of it on "NPCs" or other otherfied people for personal gain. :JB-shining-aggro:

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

:yea:

Thank god recently there's been a trend of isekai stories where they drop the entire "save the world by exploiting it" pretense and replace it with "I retire to the countryside with my big boobed 30 something girlfriend to become a farmer". It's not lesbians overthrowing the bourgeoisie, but it's better than slavery harems. Low bar, I know, but still.

[-] machiabelly@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPX2fWgoiyg

Whole thing is about capturing enjoyment from fascist violence (generalization from watching this video 3 years ago)

37 minutes in it talks about the history of it and how its based off/influenced by vile racist shit.

the whole conceit of the show is watch the hero mindlessly slaughter the vile subhumans that rape our women. Like, exact replica of conservative rhetoric

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

But the writers said that the goblins don't count as people therefore it isn't genocide to kill them! :morshupls:

It's disturbing to me that some self-described "leftists" are making that argument here instead of just accepting that they've been entertained by fascist propaganda (which isn't impossible) and that their entertainment can and maybe should be criticized without knee-jerk toxic fandom bullshit defending it as if the entertainment (or themselves) are threatened by the criticism.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I would like to apologize for the shit that I've given you in the past about Treat Enjoyers. I think I just didn't get it because I hadn't interacted with them enough. I still think it's good to try to flush that voice from one's head, but I can see why it would be difficult and there are worse things you can do than vent about bad things being bad.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I would like to apologize for the shit that I’ve given you in the past about Treat Enjoyers.

Thank you.

I would also like to apologize for being more incendiary back then and not picking my fights more carefully. It's why I personally haven't said the t-word in that context for over half a year and counting. It's just not worth further provoking already toxic fans of lib/fash propaganda that they happen to be entertained by and therefore they refuse to believe that their entertainment contains propaganda.

As I've said for a very long time, it's possible to acknowledge propaganda in things that entertain us and accept that people can be affected by such propaganda. My problem is with tribalistic bullshit where the moral character, personal status, and even the sanity of the critic is challenged by a toxic fan.

I really wish there was a block function on this site, because it's always the same small handful of very left leftists that tend to have radioactive takes in other subjects that can be summarized as "fuck you, got mine." :grillman:

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What if isekai waifu trash, but also packed with a casus belli :awooga: :libertarian-alert: :hypersus: scene in the first episode for the hogs to get off to and also to morally justify a fascist genocide campaign running for the entire duration of the story? :scared-fash:

Plenty of college papers were written about Shadow Government Liberal Magic Eugenics Cops as well as Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will, not to mention Mein Kampf and even that economy toilet paper package known as Atlas Shrugged, so this doesn't really surprise me.

Disclaimer: I'm not condemning all college papers written about ideologically horrible cinema/literature, I'm only saying it doesn't surprise me that sufficiently famous trash such as that gets college papers written about it, regardless of whether the writer of such papers likes the fiction or not.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

And like the most sordid of incantations, you summoned its apologists.

[-] ssjmarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The curtains are blue!

The curtains have a swastika on them.

No! They're just blue! Not everything is political!

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The writers of the slop said that the goblins don't count as people. That makes genocide okay and if you criticize the fiction you are a moral scold! :frothingfash:

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Here, in this thread, some people were entertained by the slop therefore not only can there be nothing ideologically wrong with a genocidal power fantasy against otherfied beings (which according to the Thermian Argument don't count as people and therefore can't be subjected to a genocide :morshupls: :scared-fash: ), but surely criticism of such genocidal power fantasy is itself morally wrong because they take it that personally when their slop is criticized.

I'm tired of the same handful of toxic fans here and arguing with them goes nowhere. I'm glad other people argued with them first while I was away because they can, have, and will continue to use solipsistic bullshit arguments so they can never, ever, feel bad about the slop they consume. :wall-talk:

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think I've ever seen something more openly fascist without using symbols of real life fascist movements than that fucking first episode. "Through expression of my will of power, I find a final solution to the goblin question so that a secure future could be build for our women and children." Gimme a fucking break. The only thing that comes close is if you take the Starship Trooper movie or spess mehreen dickriding at complete face value and even they didn't have some fascist "we must wipe out the bugs/xenos because they're r-wording our women" anxiety.

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