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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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I disavow the ignorance displayed in the statement that “Feminists always think women are better than men.” But felt important to share how well received such a message is received on this site.

Previous posts in this series:

epic ratio: https://lemmy.cafe/post/9597634
lemmy is a worse platform for women than reddit was: https://lemmy.cafe/post/4821164

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 109 points 1 month ago

Masses of people think that feminism is always and only about women seeking to be equal to men. And a huge majority of these folks think feminism is anti-male. Their misunderstanding of feminist politics reflects the reality that most folks learn about feminism from patriarchal mass media. —bell hooks, Feminism is for Everybody

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 97 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 58 points 1 month ago

i really love this and also the amount of jpg distortion going on showing how loved and re-distributed this post was

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it was the least potato version I could find lol definitely well loved..

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

One part has even been removed with white digital ink. Fascinating

[-] SeekPie@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

It's like a well read book lmao

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I mean, I do think that using the term Feminism for movements that aren't about women seeking equality is kind of a stretch of the original word. If the focus of the movement has changed so much that defining it as the original focus isn't accurate anymore, a new word should be used for the new movement instead. I'm undereducated on modern Feminist theory but this seems to me to be self-evident and I've never seen a good argument why referring to gender-related egalitarianism as Feminism has more positives than negatives.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 month ago

you should read that work by hooks, it’s linked and available right there

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I noticed it was a direct PDF download (based). I have a 7 hour car ride coming up, if it doesn't make me too carsick I might read it!

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 month ago

godspeed! this channel also has a sort of audiobook of it with some commentary in case you’re as bad with visual carsickness as me 🥴

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 102 points 1 month ago

People are blaming propaganda, I additionally blame the attention economy aka social media algorithms that favor attention. Young men are often shown videos of "crazy feminists" acting stupid, which gives this impression.

If you only see the dumbest people and takes from a movement, big surprise you won't understand it.

[-] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 month ago

I think your point might also apply the other way - people are also encouraged to make exaggerated, incendiary comments for attention. Mild, reasonable takes, especially not posted quickly, will usually be overshadowed by the more extreme top comments. I believe the poster in question defended themselves claiming it was just an exaggeration.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

excellent analysis. this is part of my reasoning for making posts like these. silly little reactionary posts responding to misunderstanding or bigotry often have some of the more interesting and nuanced discussion and learning in the comments.

tldr i think it’s possible to reverse engineer propaganda structures if you put some thought into it

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 31 points 1 month ago

honestly i don’t think it’s too big a stretch to claim that the attention economy you describe is an intentional structure of conservative propagandists.

[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 7 points 1 month ago

it's so much not a stretch that it simply just is. it's the kinda stretch you get sleeping in a perfectly neutral resting position for 8 hours

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[-] will_steal_your_username@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago

I additionally blame the attention economy aka social media algorithms that favor attention

I mean this is also propaganda :P This is how the alt right are setting their hooks in people, by using the algorithms as they are to get boys and young men to listen to their little gurus etc. and slowly pull them right.

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[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

Yeah I've seen so much casual misogyny upvoted here

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[-] Commiunism@beehaw.org 38 points 1 month ago

What years of anti-feminist propaganda does to a man

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[-] sh__@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Kind of a roundabout way to say that, but I guess the underlying message is people are equally terrible? That's not really the worst opinion I've seen.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago

The actual message is the "... And feminists are hypocrite liars about it" part you skipped over.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago

thanks for saying the truth lol. i happen to also believe that people are equally terrible but it’s annoying that people are intentionally ignoring the other half of the message.

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[-] ted@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

I have encountered a lot of this mentality on Lemmy. Sometimes I go to engage, but it's simply not worth it.

You won't be able to inform folks with these opinions in a content aggregator forum, it's just not the place for learning (and 196 is much less so).

Also is this OC in 196? Isn't that sort of against the spirit of the community?

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it’s just not the place for learning

awww dont tell me what to do :( i have learned much on this site and now i’m contributing back. i like doing my part to make the places i hang out nicer for everyone :)

Also is this OC in 196?

yes

Isn’t that sort of against the spirit of the community?

no i have done it for years

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I only engage to make them feel unwelcome for having a bigoted view.

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 21 points 1 month ago

I thought political beliefs were three dimensional before I entered Lemmy. Now I think there's four

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 month ago

gotta be at least 5 tbh

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The worst opinion you've ever seen

Yup, that's about what I expect every week or so

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lemmy isn't a monolith, and understanding that the fediverse has set itself up as an alternative to centralised platforms, I don't think we should be surprised when trolls who tend to get banned on those other platforms find their way here.

Of course we're going to see a lot of reactionary opinions here. These are the reactionaries that are too reactionary for reddit. They've learned to be less overt in their views because lemmy can excise a whole instance that's just reactionary.

I'd say right now they're trying to radicalise the normies. Vote manipulation is probably part of that strategy to make their views look more accepted than they are.

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[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

he is so wrong that he got it right at the end... somehow

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Wario’s origin story.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 month ago

https://fedia.io/m/memes@lemmy.world/t/1488712/-/comment/8371814

seriously what the fuck. at least his replies are in the negatives. i suspect a troll, but all these upvotes??

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

How hard is it to manipulate votes on Lemmy instances? I'm guessing the answer varies depending on the instance but I don't think it's completely impossible on any of them.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Very easy

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To back this statement up, there was/is a vegan community that would ban anyone who downvoted a post in their community so that sub would jump to the frontpage, because anyone who was banned could no longer vote on its content.

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[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

the context was one singular example of this happening btw, its still a bad take tho