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submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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I disavow the ignorance displayed in the statement that “Feminists always think women are better than men.” But felt important to share how well received such a message is received on this site.

Previous posts in this series:

epic ratio: https://lemmy.cafe/post/9597634
lemmy is a worse platform for women than reddit was: https://lemmy.cafe/post/4821164

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[-] sh__@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago

Kind of a roundabout way to say that, but I guess the underlying message is people are equally terrible? That's not really the worst opinion I've seen.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago

The actual message is the "... And feminists are hypocrite liars about it" part you skipped over.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 3 days ago

thanks for saying the truth lol. i happen to also believe that people are equally terrible but it’s annoying that people are intentionally ignoring the other half of the message.

[-] sh__@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

That is definitely what they said, but they seem to mislabel feminism in general. Since feminism isn't about superiority to men, then who they are referring to is not representative of feminism as a whole. I guess what I'm saying is that they are actually right that anyone that thinks that one group is superior to another is wrong. They are wrong about the term they used to describe someone like that though, which I don't label as the worst thing ever compared to actually thinking the former point. So not understanding the term feminism bad, but also their point directed at the right people isn't wrong.

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 102 points 4 days ago

People are blaming propaganda, I additionally blame the attention economy aka social media algorithms that favor attention. Young men are often shown videos of "crazy feminists" acting stupid, which gives this impression.

If you only see the dumbest people and takes from a movement, big surprise you won't understand it.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 31 points 4 days ago

honestly i don’t think it’s too big a stretch to claim that the attention economy you describe is an intentional structure of conservative propagandists.

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[-] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 4 days ago

I think your point might also apply the other way - people are also encouraged to make exaggerated, incendiary comments for attention. Mild, reasonable takes, especially not posted quickly, will usually be overshadowed by the more extreme top comments. I believe the poster in question defended themselves claiming it was just an exaggeration.

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[-] will_steal_your_username@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 days ago

I additionally blame the attention economy aka social media algorithms that favor attention

I mean this is also propaganda :P This is how the alt right are setting their hooks in people, by using the algorithms as they are to get boys and young men to listen to their little gurus etc. and slowly pull them right.

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[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lemmy isn't a monolith, and understanding that the fediverse has set itself up as an alternative to centralised platforms, I don't think we should be surprised when trolls who tend to get banned on those other platforms find their way here.

Of course we're going to see a lot of reactionary opinions here. These are the reactionaries that are too reactionary for reddit. They've learned to be less overt in their views because lemmy can excise a whole instance that's just reactionary.

I'd say right now they're trying to radicalise the normies. Vote manipulation is probably part of that strategy to make their views look more accepted than they are.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 3 days ago

i’m not surprised just sad

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 107 points 4 days ago

Masses of people think that feminism is always and only about women seeking to be equal to men. And a huge majority of these folks think feminism is anti-male. Their misunderstanding of feminist politics reflects the reality that most folks learn about feminism from patriarchal mass media. —bell hooks, Feminism is for Everybody

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 94 points 4 days ago

Reminds me of

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 58 points 4 days ago

i really love this and also the amount of jpg distortion going on showing how loved and re-distributed this post was

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[-] naught101@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I'd love for someone who down voted this to explain their position..

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I agree, but wouldn't hold my breath lol

Though I don't doubt at least a couple have already commented elsewhere on this thread, and are trying to hide their anti-feminism (aka misogyny) behind the thin veil of pretending it excludes them, and that we must refocus thousands of years of feminist struggle on to them and call it "egalitarianism" otherwise they have no reason to join our fight for equality (which they conveniently ignore means equality for everyone, which is why they need to make up excuses to reject it, because, going back to the meme I posted and why they downvote it - they don't want equality, they want to hold on to superiority at all costs, and their fragile egos don't like having that mirror held up to them).

(edit to add: and even if we give in and centre them and do call it egalitarianism, they won't actually want to fight with us to bring down the patriarchy, they'll just keep shifting the goalposts to make it more and more about freeing their poor souls from the imaginary oppression of feminism) .

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[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

the context was one singular example of this happening btw, its still a bad take tho

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 3 days ago

sample size of one goes crazy

[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago

Yeah I've seen so much casual misogyny upvoted here

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[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

he is so wrong that he got it right at the end... somehow

[-] Commiunism@beehaw.org 37 points 4 days ago

What years of anti-feminist propaganda does to a man

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[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 21 points 4 days ago

I thought political beliefs were three dimensional before I entered Lemmy. Now I think there's four

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The worst opinion you've ever seen

Yup, that's about what I expect every week or so

[-] ted@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago

I have encountered a lot of this mentality on Lemmy. Sometimes I go to engage, but it's simply not worth it.

You won't be able to inform folks with these opinions in a content aggregator forum, it's just not the place for learning (and 196 is much less so).

Also is this OC in 196? Isn't that sort of against the spirit of the community?

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

it’s just not the place for learning

awww dont tell me what to do :( i have learned much on this site and now i’m contributing back. i like doing my part to make the places i hang out nicer for everyone :)