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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

I was planning to donate the couple bucks I had left over from the year to the charity called “San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance”, I was doing a background check on CharityNavigator and they gave the charity full ratings so it seemed good.

Then I stumbled upon the salary section. What the fuck? I earn <20k a year and was planning to contribute to someone’s million dollar salary? WHAT.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/951648219

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

The head of the American Red Cross makes about 750k, last I heard.

Whether or not that's justified either, I think we can all agree it's a little bit larger of an organization with more responsibility to juggle.

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[-] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I’ve given up on charity. They’ve lobbied sites like Charity Navigator to not count executive compensation as a negative. I’m sick of capitalism ruining everything.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This is more of a system issue than bad behavior of an individual charity.

Charities can underpay a little bit, because working for a charity has its own appeal. But if you want a talented, experienced person to run your org, you have to consider what they could make if they worked for someone else. San Diego is not a cheap city, and has its fair share of CEO positions.

If you really want to stretch your dollar though, local food banks are probably a better bet.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Talent and experience isn't that rare. Nor does executive compensation correlate with performance.

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 2 months ago

It would be nice if organisations were run by people who were so dedicated to the job that they'd do it for free or at least on a survival wage, but it is difficult to find someone with both the right qualifications and the willingness to do it cheaply.

The figures aren't outrageous for those positions and as a non-profit they do have a board who made the decision to pay those amounts.

It's not like a private company where the owner/CEO can just grab the money. The board members voted to hire someone and offered those amounts.

If you want to change this kind of thing, you need to attend the annual meeting in which the board is elected. I've been elected to a few board positions in non-profit organisations and let me tell you: It's really easy to get on a board. Most places have difficulties filling the positions or you can easily outcompete other candidates simply by wanting to be there. It's boring as fuck, but important stuff sometimes happens and it's a good experience to have.

So if you want to actually contribute to that non-profit, you might want to save your few dollars and instead give them some of your time to help them in the right direction. Assuming you're dedicated to the cause in the first place that is. If you have something to say, you will be heard, because quite frankly, half the board members only come for the free food.

[-] greenhorn@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

As someone who has worked at a non profit and works at a low profit company now, the idea that because it's work we're passionate about that we should do it for pennies is so toxic, and how teachers, nurses, childcare workers, etc are abused by society. We're actively out here trying to fix the problems caused by capitalism and the top 10% who are fucking over the world, and we deserve to be fairly compensated, not do it for free because we're so passionate. I'm not saying OP's example is right either, but charity workers shouldn't need to rely on charity to survive, or be so wealthy they didn't need to get paid.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

This completely misrepresents the issue. It is not about working for free. A salary of a million bucks is just insane, regardless of context, be it for a non-profit, a private company or a presidential office. There's no point of donating money to a cause if it only ends up in the pockets of a CEO who already has way too much of it.

[-] greenhorn@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

The comment I was responding to said it would be nice if the people running the organizations would do it for free or survival wages. I agree the salaries in OP's example are extreme, but what I see more often in my industry is burnt out people doing work for survival wages because they're passionate, while everyone else makes a ton of money.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

https://sandiegozoowildlifealliance.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/2023-SDZWA-Annual-Report.pdf

Total revenue per year is 420 million.

Concessions and cleaning staff typically make 35k-40k. Zookeepers ~50k.

These 5 employees. Amount to .8% of the yearly operating budget, while the sum of all other employees totals up to 10% of the 400 million dollar operating budget.

I’m not making any judgements, just offering the numbers.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

They pay cooks less than $20/hour in a city with an average rent of $3000/month. I've got no problem passing judgement.

[-] dan@upvote.au 0 points 2 months ago

They pay cooks less than $20/hour

So their cooks get paid less than 'cooks' at McDonald's? Fast food minimum wage is $20/hour throughout California.

[-] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

Why did you put "cooks" in quotes? Do you think fry cooks aren't cooks? Churning out food in a hot kitchen is work, regardless of what you think of the end product

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While most work is hard, and I dunno how bespoke this gig is, there's a massive difference between a generic fry "cook" and a restaurant line cook/chef.

Most fry cooks, like a Macdonald's, are a finely tuned production line where most of the food is pre-prepped and premade (most of the "cooking" is done in a factory). The "cooks" in those roles usually just assemble the pre made components, and in the case of fast food, have finely tunes tools to serve their generic menu.

A restaurant cook/chef requires significantly more attention to detail, skill, flexibility, and knowledge because most of the food is made from scratch, using raw ingredients, which is why there are culinary schools. Real restaurants can't succeed with a kitchen full of deep fryers and teenagers pushing buttons. Naturally, the expectation is that they should be paid more because it requires more skill, knowledge, effort, and dedication.

[-] Robotunicorn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This is a good reminder that you can look up Form 990 for any nonprofit (they are required to submit one), which includes any staff that make over $100k.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/

Also, it looks like the “salaries” you found are total compensation, which also includes medical and retirement benefits. The CEO’s salary is around $600k, but also got a $300k+ bonus.

[-] linux2647@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago

My wife works for a non-profit where the Executive Director (CEO if you will) cannot make more than 5x what the lowest paid person makes. Wish more non-profits would adopt something similar

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Well we don't know if the lowest paid employee makes $254,927 at this one

[-] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

That's the Janitor. He drives Bentleys off the pier into the Pacific Ocean every second saturday.

[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

His name is Keith

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Management and marketing bloat is extremely common for nonprofits, unfortunately. Especially large ones.

Ones that don't do that exist too, but it's a thing you have to be wary of.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's a classic moral hazard of private non-profits. You generate income from press and marketing, so you have an incentive to invest more in those parts of your business. The Zoo Wildlife Alliance doesn't get any money from the wildlife.

But now you've got a marketing team that wants to grow, in order to generate more revenue. So they need more revenue themselves. But it's "justified" because they can claim credit for every dollar brought in. The bigger the marketing staff gets, the more sway they have within the organization as a whole. So it prioritizes growth for the sake of growth, rather than asking where the money is going.

And all along, the fundraising leadership is justifying higher and higher compensation as a percentage of groups revenue.

Eventually, you're just a millionaire pan handler, asking money so you can ask for money. That's a totally organic consequence of unregulated industry.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

For a second I thought this was a hit list.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While not ideal, I would like to note that the charity has a revenue of 392 M$. Spending 1-2% on salaries of top exec is not that bad if it prevents them from misusing the funds. A lot of the time, the alternative to high salaries for people in power is those people giving in to corruption since the risk/benefit encourages it. Just look at politics for an example.

That being said, wtf is chief philanthropy officer?!

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Chief Philanthropy Officer probably heads their fundraising team. Aka sales

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

That's exactly what they do. They also usually act as a liason between their mega donors to ensure the money is spent in the way it's ear marked for. Mega donors usually donate conditionally, basically a type of private grant.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Thanks for the extra info.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That makes sense, thanks for the info.

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago

Spending 1-2% on salaries

These greedy cunts are probably 1% of the workforce though. How much is actually spent on salaries?

Stop defending them

[-] Celestus@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

How much would you prefer they made? Do you think the world would be a better place if they shut down their charity businesses?

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Stop defending them

Idk anything about them, so it is not my intention to defend anyone. I am just pointing out that having bad execs (whether incompetent, careless or outright embezzlers) is far worse than paying 1-2%. As far as I know, no one has came up with a better reusable way to get good execs than paying them a lot. I have no idea if these execs in particular are good.

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