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[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Unfortunately most of psychotherapy is individualistic and focused on getting people "functional" again so that they can generate a profit for capitalists...

It's kind of like saying that the individual who isn't responding well to the abysmal conditions created by capitalism is "broken" and not the system itself. So most of the time you are gonna get a "best I can do is give you some pills that dull all your emotions, good and bad".

tbh I'm much more concerned about "mentally healthy" non-socialists. Either they must have been be brainwashed into ignorance or something human is missing inside of them...
(though I admit that this assessment is based on superficial knowledge)

Capitalism causes depression - video by azure scapegoat

EDIT:

Usually I also recommend the following podcast during discussions like these, I have not listened to it myself but only heard good things about it (it's a leftist mental health podcast, focusing on systemic issues, especially capitalsim, for a change):

"It's Not Just In Your Head"

https://antennapod.org/deeplink/subscribe/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fanchor.fm%2Fs%2F1cf1dbd4%2Fpodcast%2Frss&title=It%27s+Not+Just+In+Your+Head

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Therapy can be used for a lot of other things, though, and I find this take can scare a lot of people away from it.

They’re only human so you gotta find someone who’s good and works well for you but they’re great for relationships or trauma or just venting. Mine’s awesome and doesn’t try to tell me that actually working is so great or that my ADHD is problem.

There are so many people who really need it that don’t go because “it doesn’t work anyway”.

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 8 points 3 hours ago

I totally agree with your standpoint, but would like to add that in this whole thread no one has mentioned that many people do need help as individuals. While I have made many negative experiences with therapists only trying to get me functional again, analyzing mental health problems away isn't going to work either. I feel like focusing only on the structural problems in this context is ignoring the individuals fighting mental health problems. That's what also frustrated me with the antipsychiatric movement.

We should be able to discuss both the structural and individual levels, because both are essential to actually solving any problems.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago

Half of my mental health problems would be solved if the state and capitalism didn't require themselves to exist.

Generalized Anxiety Disorder? Majorly lessened if I don't need to worry about food or shelter being stripped away if someone in my family gets sick or we lose income.

ADHD? Managed if ADHD meds weren't locked on the governmental level with cocaine and heroin, and the companies actually made more of the life saving medicine they hold hostage.

Bipolar disorder and Autism have no pills to solve, only mask the problems until they bubble. Ask me what medications I've tried for Bipolar, and I'll tell you why they didn't work.

Ask me what therapy methods I've tried and explained to my therapist network "Therapy helps with some things, but it doesn't solve the major issues of stress, anexity, and depression" before they kicked me off for a profit margin hidden as "This person doesn't want help, because they are too caught up in the lives of themselves and their families."

Yes, there's medications that help people. But after some point, the problem is no longer with that person, its the environment. Sometimes its an abusive family member. Sometimes it a toxic workplace. Most of the time its a death cult called capitalism.

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

For sure, like I said I agree that it is a structural problem. But we won't abolish capitalism and get rid of its brainwashing anywhere soon. In an utopian future, I can imagine all kinds of better ways how neurodiversity and generally diversity could be better incorporated into society and where we wouldn't need psychiatric institutions etc. But we unfortunately do live under capitalism and people are clearly affected by it. So, for now we certainly need some sort of help for mental health problems. It is up for debate, how this should look and I don't particularly like the psychiatric complex. But people need help nonetheless. A person with mental health problems may try to analyze capitalism as the root cause of their problems, but this won't dismantle capitalism either. At best this a form of self-efficacy, at worst a way to try to avoid overcoming deeper individual struggles.

ETA: and yes, I totally understand where you are coming from with the neurodivergent angle. If you just don't fit in society and the capitalist system, you get sanctioned and bullied for it all the time. This certainly won't go away with therapy apart from maybe making you fit in a bit better at your own cost (or even worse, brainwashing you to repress your own expressions). Same goes for being otherwise divergent, like being trans.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

agree with you here too. Individual problems exist and should be taken seriously as well. I took that as a given and thus didn't mention it and wanted to focus more on the side that gets neglected faaaar too often

Socialism will not solve all mental health issues, people will always have personal problems, familiar predispositions etc. etc.
However, a lot of conditions/triggers/main reason would be resolved

As you said, it's both structural/systemic and individual problems. We need both a change in economics and social structures, that empower the working people of this world, bring the economy into their ownership and democratise it and high quality non-dogmatig and unstigmatised free healthcare, social services and so on

[-] flora_explora@beehaw.org 2 points 1 hour ago

I totally get why you highlighted the structural side of it. In discussions of mental health problems it usually gets dismissed or ignored. In capitalist fashion, many of these problems get blamed on the individuals :(

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

It’s kind of like saying that the individual who isn’t responding well to the abysmal conditions created by capitalism is “broken” and not the system itself. So most of the time you are gonna get a “best I can do is give you some pills that dull all your emotions, good and bad”.

It's me ✨😎🥰

When I constantly stated the same reasons for attending mental healthcare when I got there, after a shake up in the ownership of the network, I was terminated coverage by my place because no one there got it into their head:

Major sources of depression and anxiety aren't fixable with therapy and pills, they are only fixed with a major change in income and political climate. Even if I somehow have a job that pays 8 figures, it doesn't solve the social issues of me and my friends being future victims with no way to stop it.

And then they just went "Well since you're too focused on what you can't change, you can't change at all, buh-bye!"

At some point I just gotta wonder who's actually mentally ill. The people who see the truth and try to change it despite the lack of influence, or the people who ignore it and say everything is okay.

I mean, when I expressed to my last therapist of the network "Hey this place in town, violated the state labor laws and I'm trying to figure out if I can sue them." she just said "But I like the gas in my tank."

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'm sorry you had to go through all that, it sounds horrible and should never have been allowed to happen in that way...

Reading this makes me both melancholy and angry. Capitalism is directly (and indirectly) responsible for many uncountable injuries, injustices and indiscretions...

I struggle with my mental health quite a lot as well (+ neurodivergency. medial asd diagnosis is otw lol), though even in Germany I'm in a privileged positions and just can't seem to get better no natter what I do. The only thing keeping me alive is revolutionary optimism and trying to contribute to the progress of humanity in the best way I am able to
Stay strong ✊ I know this probably doesn't mean much but you have my solidarity and please know that many people are fighting for a just tomorrow. not all is lost

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 hours ago

No pills or therapy you can take that solves poverty.

No pills or therapy that solves a political slip into fascism.

No pills or therapy that fix people mistreating you for something you were born with.

No pills or therapy that give you more rights that a government refuses to give.

Only pills and therapy to mask your feelings to be a productive worker drone for the spiral of ants.

[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 hour ago

Therapy can help people develop effective communication skills for self-advocacy, and emotion regulation skills to stay calm under pressure.

Therapy can help people notice things they didn't notice before that might improve their thoughts/outlook, and better understand both themselves and others.

It can help people to clarify and organize their priorities, and improve motivation and increase the rate of progress toward their goals.

A good therapist (usually of the social worker variety, ime) will help you navigate and pursue resources via government, NGOs, and even local mutual aid networks

Therapists act as agents of social control in that we're pushed as the solution to problems which actually have systemic causes, but therapy doesn't have to be inherently oppressive

[-] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

To help the individual to fit into a society which is ever at war with itself – is this what psychologists and analysts are supposed to do? Is the individual to be healed only in order to kill or be killed? If one is not killed, or driven insane, then must one only fit into the structure of hate, envy, ambition and superstition which can be very scientific?

- Jiddu Krishnamurti

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