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Short disclosure, I work as a Software Developer in the US, and often have to keep my negative opinions about the tech industry to myself. I often post podcasts and articles critical of the tech industry here in order to vent and, in a way, commiserate over the current state of tech and its negative effects on our environment and the Global/American sociopolitical landscape.

I'm generally reluctant to express these opinions IRL as I'm afraid of burning certain bridges in the tech industry that could one day lead to further employment opportunities. I also don't want to get into these kinds of discussions except with my closest friends and family, as I could foresee them getting quite heated and lengthy with certain people in my social circles.

Some of these negative opinions include:

  • I think that the industries based around cryptocurrencies and other blockchain technologies have always been, and have repeatedly proven themselves to be, nothing more or less than scams run and perpetuated by scam artists.
  • I think that the AI industry is particularly harmful to writers, journalists, actors, artists, and others. This is not because AI produces better pieces of work, but rather due to misanthropic viewpoints of particularly toxic and powerful individuals at the top of the tech industry hierarchy pushing AI as the next big thing due to their general misunderstanding or outright dislike of the general public.
  • I think that capitalism will ultimately doom the tech industry as it reinforces poor system design that deemphasizes maintenance and maintainability in preference of a move fast and break things mentality that still pervades many parts of tech.
  • I think we've squeezed as much capital out of advertising as is possible without completely alienating the modern user, and we risk creating strong anti tech sentiments among the general population if we don't figure out a less intrusive way of monetizing software.

You can agree or disagree with me, but in this thread I'd prefer not to get into arguments over the particular details of why any one of our opinions are wrong or right. Rather, I'd hope you could list what opinions on the tech industry you hold that you feel comfortable expressing here, but are, for whatever reason, reluctant to express in public or at work. I'd also welcome an elaboration of said reason, should you feel comfortable to give it.

I doubt we can completely avoid disagreements, but I'll humbly ask that we all attempt to keep this as civil as possible. Thanks in advance for all thoughtful responses.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 13 points 44 minutes ago

No class consciousness. Too many tech workers think they're rugged individuals that can negotiate their own contracts into wealth.

Working for free on nights and weekends to "hit that deadline" is not good. You're just making the owners rich, and devaluing labor. Even if you own a lot of equity, it's not as much as the owners.

And then there's bullshit like return to office mandates and people are like "oh no none of us want to do this but there's no organized mechanism to resist"

[-] Lightor@lemmy.world 6 points 41 minutes ago

Please stop with the AI pushing. It's a solution looking for a problem, it's a waste in 90% of the cases.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 12 points 2 hours ago

I think companies that use unethically trained AI (read: basically all gen AI) should be subject to massive litigation, or at least severely damaging boycotts.

Have mentioned it to a lawyer at work, and he was like “I get it, but uh… fat chance, lol”. Would not dare mention it to the AI-hungry folks in leadership.

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 hour ago

You can't litigate against owner class as working class. Federal government is sold out their asses so they won't do it.

Litigation is a dispute resolution tool for the owners, between owners.

There is NOT a viable way forward within the courts or political processes.

Things will get worse before anything changes.

Source: Dead CEO and how they treat luigi

[-] graycube@lemmy.world 39 points 4 hours ago

Most of the high visibility "tech bros" aren't technical. They are finance bros who invest in tech.

[-] d00phy@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago

Not a software dev, but for me it’s the constant leap from today’s “next best thing” to tomorrow’s. Behind the Bastards did an episode on AI, and his take resonated with me. Particularly his Q&A session with some AI leaders at, I think, CES not long ago. When the new hotness gets popular, an obscene amount of money is paired with the “move fast and break things” attitude in a rush to profit. This often creates massive opportunities for grifters as legislators are mind numbing slow to react to these new technologies. And when regulations are finally passed (or more recently, allowed by the oligarchs), they’re often written to protect the billionaires (read: “job creators”) more than the common customer. Everyone’s bought into the idea that slow and methodical stifles innovation. At least the people funding and regulating these things have.

[-] NotLuigi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I’m personally very conflicted between my love of computers and the seeming necessity of conflict minerals in their construction. How much coltan is dug up every year just to be shoved into an IoT device whose company will be defunct in six months, effectively bricking the thing? Even if the mining practices were made humane, they wouldn’t be sustainable. My coworkers are very cool for tech workers. Vague anticapitalist sentiments. Hate Elon. But I don’t think they’re ready for this conversation.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The proliferation of theftbox technology and everyone who ups it/demands it for my career's advancement deserves to get put on an upturned pike, chest-first. To me it's like being a battle rapper: like a battle rapper better not EVER be relying on ghostwriters for their bars, if you need CoPilot to code, you don't deserve to call yourself a programmer; and I was an artist first-- so I don't see any of this LLM bullshit as anything more than tricknology that robbed me and everybody I consider my actual peers (which is to say, not the theftbox touchers).

I'd rather see a journeyman programmer cracking open the books they taught themselves out of than see them turning to CoPilot.

[-] NotLuigi@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

I’ve introduced my coworkers to the concept of the “copilot pause” where you stop typing and your brain turns off while you wait for copilot to make a suggestion. Several of them can’t unsee it now and have stopped using copilot.

[-] frauddogg@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Several of them can’t unsee it now and have stopped using copilot.

Gigabased; you're doing God's honest work with that

[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The job of a software developer should be regulated like a job of a lawyer/doctor/real engineer, that is a requirement of a degree/formal training and a professional society

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 hour ago

lawyer/doctor/real engineer

We are all just wage slaves subject to the same economic conditions. Professional regulation is a charade to provide air of legitimacy for these professionals so peasants feel a bit more at easy.

Out do the three engineers have most integrity IMHO since gravity is a bitch yo

[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I used it as an example of jobs that require credentials and have a professional society where those workers are organized and have ethical rules governing their jobs (even if they're very frequently ignored)

[-] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 48 minutes ago

I am pointing that at best this is a cosplay.

I do agree with the overall sentiment that professionals should have high standard of care to their client but also society

This should be above profit motivate but I have no idea how to make that work

Professional licensing and orgs clearly ain't.

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I think that the industries based around cryptocurrencies and other blockchain technologies have always been, and have repeatedly proven themselves to be, nothing more or less than scams run and perpetuated by scam artists.

Can you please expand on this and help me out here?

I’m coming across people who are true believers in crypto and while I insist it’s a scam and it’s destroying the fucking planet, they go down the rabbit hole into places I can’t follow because I’ve literally not had the interest nor desire to read up on crypto.

They keep saying that what’s really destroying the planet is the existing financial system with all of the logistics involved with keeping it up as opposed to the cryptofarms adding to the demand on the electric grid. They say that is the goal, to replace the existing financial energy demand with crypto but again, it’s only added to it. Another talking point is that in the case of global climate catastrophe there will be pockets of electricity and cryptoservers somewhere on the planet and that while crypto will remain all the other financial systems will disappear

They also seem to somehow think it’s the fix to workplace bureaucracy somehow and everything in sight

Please impart some knowledge.

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Bitcoin and all similar crypto were intentionally designed to be self deflating, it won't replace finance, it's speed running the same problems. The reason almost every country on earth switched to fiat/self inflating currencies is that the best way to invest a deflating currency is to stash it and forget about it.

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Please explain like I’m a bean

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Why deflation is bad: deflation means that as time goes on the same amount of money is worth more. This means that a viable way to invest the money is to hold onto it. Say there is yearly deflation of 4%, that means any investment which has a return lower than 4% is losing you money. Additionally intelligent consumers will cut down on purchases since they can buy more for less later. This leads to economic slowdowns and can self compound if suppliers decide to lower prices.

This is one reason why countries like inflation, it encourages spending and investment.

Bitcoin and similar crypto require new coins to validate all previous coins and interactions. Each new coin is exponentially more expensive than the previous. Therefore Bitcoin wealth is extremely stratified to early adopters who built up a collection before the value became this obscene.

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago

What about the new sentiment that pushes the switch back to the gold standard, is this a pipe dream? Aren’t there some major backers of this idea who hold it to be viable?

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 36 minutes ago

Complete pipe dream, commodity backed currency means the currency issuer loses control of inflation/deflation to production of said commodity. For a commodity backed currency to maintain value, the commodity stores owned by the issuer have to grow in proportion to monetary demand (usually GDP growth).

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

If the person I will report to can't code, I pass on the contract.

Too many management types are the classic middle management who knows people, but not the tech they manage.

Also related - I will NEVER take a contract if my report to drives a Mercedes. 101% I will pass on that opportunity. Life's too short to deal with that type of entitlement. After 30 years in the industry, that single vehicle type is by far, to me, the largest of red flags.

My secret sexist opinion is: Fill your DBA team with women, lead by a woman, and then just stand back and turn them loose. I absolutely love all female DBA teams because they kick fucking ass always. [edit I'm a cis wm 50s for context]

[Dbl edit - I will also never hire anyone who was 'educated' in a Florida University. They are fucking worthless.]

[-] ahal@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 hours ago

If the person I will report to can't code, I pass on the contract

I get this, it's really frustrating to have a clueless manager. But to me, a bigger problem is the reverse.

I'd rather have a manager with no technical ability and excellent people skills, than a manager with excellent technical ability but no people skills. The latter is all too common in my experience.

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Yeah it is a mixed bag of shit isn't it?

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 hours ago

If the person I will report to can't code, I pass on the contract.

I feel like that's just a preference regarding jobs.

Part of the job of being the chief coder is having to translate back and forth between the people doing the coding and the people paying them to do so. You need a lot of high level technical knowledge to do the job well, but you aren't going to be technical in application.

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

That's not been my experience. I have more of a 'hospitality' mindset, ie: If the GM isn't willing to hit the line and dishdog in a crunch, he's a shitty GM and you'll end up with a poorly performing restaurant.

The 'chief coder' might not be the best coder, but when I or the team have to give a presentation to explain heap spraying to the boss, then that's not a boss I want.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 hour ago

That's only if the company specializes in one type of software.

It is common in larger companies or companies that need software but aren't software companies where you are going to hit a manager with little technical talent, let alone less technical talent in what you're working on.

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Fortunately, I'm in a position where I can choose to pass on that type of scenario.

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 72 points 6 hours ago

A very large portion (maybe not quite a majority) of software developers are not very good at their jobs. Just good enough to get by.

And that is entirely okay! Applies to most jobs, honestly. But there is really NO appropriate way to express that to a coworker.

I've seen way too much "just keep trying random things without really knowing what you're doing, and hope you eventually stumble into something that works" attitude from coworkers.

[-] locuester@lemmy.zip 2 points 33 minutes ago

maybe not quite a majority

VAST majority. This is 80-90% of devs.

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[-] nnullzz@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

Software dev tools and process are so convoluted and unnecessary. We need to find a happy medium between sites being published via FTP uploads like before and the CI/CD madness of today. And there’s too many tooling options available. It’s caused a huge amount of disparity between options. Look at the JavaScript ecosystem for example.

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[-] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 hours ago

The whole "tech industry" naming is bulllshit, there is more technology let's say in composite used to build an aircraft wing or in a surgerical robots, than in yet another mobile app showing you ads

The whole tech sector also tend to be over evaluated on the stock market. In no world Apple is worth 3 trillion while coca cola or airbus are worth around 200 billions

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 hours ago

More people own an iPhone than an Airbus plane.

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