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submitted 1 week ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Summary

The “femosphere,” a growing online space for women, mirrors the misogynistic “manosphere” with toxic ideologies, including anti-gender equality views and strategies to “conquer” men.

The term describes communities like Female Dating Strategy and “dark feminine” influencers who reject liberal feminism, advocating traditional gender roles as empowering.

“Femcel” influencers urge their followers to give up on gender equality and use men for financial gain – in the name of feminism.

Critics warn these spaces mix conservative and feminist ideas, creating “anti-feminist feminism” that appeals to those disillusioned with mainstream feminism.

While less linked to violence than the manosphere, researchers caution against its potential for radicalization and harm.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

In the femosphere, as in the manosphere, there’s an overarching belief that life is about survival of the fittest, that men will always hurt women and that will never change, so strategies are needed to conquer the opposite gender.

I'm not a massive fan of the guy they nailed to a tree 2000 years ago for saying maybe people should be nice to each other once in a while, but the violent reaction to that suggestion no longer surprises me.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

Look we just need to move around small bits of green paper and everything will be fine.

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[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

To be fair, he also suggested if they worshipped other gods, they'd be punished in hell for it. That's why I'm not a massive fan. But I like the 'be nice to people' part.

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[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago

Thankfully this is a community that was left on reddit. Same with the manosphere.

There seems to be a lack of gender culture war bs on lemmy that you see on a lot of other platforms. It's good that there is a pretty progressive consensus on gender here. Probably enforced by a legion of trans people, and to that I say thank you for your service.

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[-] kshade@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The article doesn't really address the brand of revenge "feminism" I've seen on that sub and mostly frames it as women who want to become trad wives because it's easy. What I've seen is that they basically want to find sugar daddies while also really, really hating men in general, especially the "low status" ones.

How did they get to that point? I suspect it's a variation of mean world syndrome, fueled by ideas like the poisonous M&M analogy (understood not as a call to be cautious but to treat every man as if they were bad) and seeing men and women as as coherent classes engaging in warfare. All watered down to simple talking points that fit in a punchy tweet. If men as a group do/don't do this for me then it's okay to be awful to any individual one because he's the enemy too.

Hateful, dehumanizing thinking. So yes, they do mirror the Andrew Tate dudes pretty much exactly, including being trans-exclusive.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

There was one female content creator who I was passively keeping an eye on who just went alt right. She blames other women for having more the ten partners for her inability to find/keep a boyfriend.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Damn, I worry this is going to create a lot of psychically and emotionally damaged people of all genders.

My advice to anyone dating is to protect yourself, but be open to the idea that someone may be a good person. If someone can’t be your friend, then they’re not lifelong partner material.

Don’t commit resources to someone until you get married, giving people money for a “relationship” is pretty much the formula of pig butchering scams.

Be careful out there folks.

[-] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Wait, femcels are a legit thing? I thought that Lemmy meme group was just a joke.

[-] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

"Female Dating Strategy", at least, has been around on Reddit for years and years.

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I think that the femcel meme group here on Lemmy seem much happier to just post about being horny and I think pretty clearly don't subscribe to this ideology at all.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sounds like a snazzy new bunch of nonsense that's just describing the age old concepts of prostitution and being a gold digger.

In a way they're acting as feminists by proving that girls can indeed do everything boys do, including being assholes on the Internet for fame and fortune.

[-] mercphilby@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah nothing new here. Just regression.

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[-] pack_of_racoons@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

My only exposure to the term femcel was from lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/femcelmemes which appears to be the antithesis of what this article describes. My perspective on some irl comments I've heard has totally changed.

Looking over at reddit for a femcelmemes equivalent it seems like r/femcelgrippysockjail is the closest but damn do they hate men over there. Yet are weirdly cool with trans women?

I'm assuming femcelmemes on blahaj.zone is ironic or just unrelated? Either way, going to steer clear of anyone who associates with that term cuz damn that's a lot of hatred and negativity.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

Yet are weirdly cool with

other women

[-] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Their point is most groups this hateful reject trans women just as violently as Cis men. This is a case of odd internal consistency and I'd give them points for it except for everything else

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago

People are comfortable with using "femcel" more loosely and jokingly than "incel" because women aren't the Violence Gender™

[-] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

I'm ok with this on one condition...

[-] Lennny@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fucking hell I lost

But so have all of you.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

The only winning move is not to play.

“Femcel” influencers urge their followers to give up on gender equality and use men for financial gain

I'm kinda struggling with the math here.

You might be able to date several men simultaneously and get some free dinners and maybe trinkets and baubles, but it would seem difficult to get much more "financial gain" than that given that most men don't have enough money to say, rent a posh apartment for their side dish.

The only way to really get "financial gain" is through marriage, which of course is a game that has been played since the dawn of time, but is not particularly engaging content in that you need to be married for several years to be able to separate and carry off a significant chunk of the marrital assets.

Surely, if you had the requisite appearance and guile for any of this the quickest and easiest pathway to financial gain would be taking money from incels on onlyfans.

[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

The gender war continues, and my nonbinary ass is sitting back and not getting involved.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

The best part about being in the middle is that both teams hate you! /s

I personally identify as a non-conforming man and the amount of hate I get from traditionalists on both sides is deeply disappointing.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Genuine question, what do you mean by non-conforming?

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It means I'm not trans, and I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm non-binary - but I don't like or accept the gender norms of being a man. I refuse to conform to societal expectations about what a man should look like or how a man should act.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Interesting. I'd have to say I'm the same. I mean I'm very cis and very straight but I hate traditional gender roles and norms. I'm wearing women's yoga pants as I type this.

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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

On one hand? Woo equality I guess

On the other? This shit again? We gonna get a Femdrew Tate or some shit? Eesh.

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