the fediverse is largely public. so i would only put here public info. ergo, i dont give a shit what the public does with it.

I’m pretty much fine with AIs scraping my data. What they can see is public knowledge and was already being scraped by search engines.

I object to:

• sites like Reddit whose entire existence is due to user content, deciding they can police and monetize my content. They have no right
• sharing of data, which includes more personal and identifiable data
• whatever the AI summarizes me as being treated as fact, such as by a company hr, regardless of context, accuracy, hallucinations

As an artist, I feel the majority of AI art is very anti-human. I really don't like the idea that they could train AI off my art so it may replicate something like it. Why automate something so deeply human? We're supposed to automate more mundane tasks so we can focus on art, not the other way around! I also never expected every tech company to suddenly participate in what feels like blatant copyright infringement, I always assumed at least art was safe in their hands.

Public conversations though? I dunno. I kinda already assume that anything I post is going to be data-mined, so it doesn't feel very different than it was. There's a lot of usefulness that can come from datamining the internet theoretically, but we exist under capitalism, so I imagine it'll be for much more nefarious uses.

No matter how I feel about it, it's one of those things I know I will never be able to do a fucking thing about, so all I can do is accept it as the new reality I live in.

I run my own instance and have a long list of user agents I flat out block, and that includes all known AI scraper bots.

That only prevents them from scraping from my instance, though, and they can easily scrape my content from any other instance I've interacted with.

Basically I just accept it as one of the many, many things that sucks about the internet in 2024, yell "Serenity Now!" at the sky, and carry on with my day.

I do wish, though, that other instances would block these LLM scraping bots but I'm not going to avoid any that don't.

If there was only some way to make any attempts at building an accurate profile of one's online presence via data scraping completely useless by masking one's own presence within the vast quantity of online data of someone else, let's say for example, a famous public figure.

But who would do such a thing?

I think this is inevitable, which is why we (worldwide) need laws where if a model scrapes public data should become open itself as well.

Its not fine when Ai starts scrapping Data that is Personal (Like Face,Age,ID) And My Source Code(Because Most of the code ai scraps are copyleft or require attribution),Public Information Am Okay like Comments,Etc that dont contain the things said above.

Could lemmy add random text only readable by bot on every post.. or should I add it somehow myself every time I type something?

How do you feel about your content getting scraped by AI models?

I think famous Hollywood actress Margot Robbie summed my thoughts up pretty well.

I don't like it, but I accept it as inevitable.

I wouldn't say I go online with the intent of deceiving people, but I think it's important in the modern day to seed in knowingly false details about your life, demographics, and identity here and there to prevent yourself from being doxxed online by AI.

I don't care what the LLMs know about me if I am not actually a real person, even if my thoughts and ideas are real.

Mine kinda tries to bullshit me about it.

Whatever you put on public domain without explicit license, it becomes CC-0 equivalent. So while it feels violating, it's perfectly fine. The best opsec should be separating your digital identities and also your physical life if you don't want it to be aggregated in the same way. These technologies (scraping) have been around for a while and along with llm's will stay for quite sometime in future, there's no way around them.

PS: you, here, is generic you, not referring to OP.

Whatever I put on Lemmy or elsewhere on the fediverse implicitly grants a revocable license to everyone that allows them to view and replicate the verbatim content, by way of how the fediverse works. You may apply all the rights that e.g. fair use grants you of course but it does not grant you the right to perform derivative works; my content must be unaltered.

When I delete some piece of content, that license is effectively revoked and nobody is allowed to perform the verbatim content any longer. Continuing to do so is a clear copyright violation IMHO but it can be ethically fine in some specific cases (e.g. archival).

Due to the nature of how the fediverse, you can't expect it to take effect immediately but it should at some point take effect and I should be able to manually cause it to immediately come into effect by e.g. contacting an instance admin to ask for a removed post of mine to be removed on their instance aswell.

Nothing I say is of any real value even to the people I reply to, much less the world at large. Frankly, I hope someone uses my data to write Apple a decent fucking autocorrect. Otherwise, I don't care.

There are at least one or two Lemmy users who add a CC or non-AI license footer to their posts. Not that it’s do anything, but it might be fun to try and get the LLM to admit it’s illegally using your content.

Seems odd that someone from dbzer0 would be very concerned about data ownership. How come?

I don't exactly know how Perplexity runs its service. I assume that their AI reacts to such a question by googling the name and then summarizing the results. You certainly received much less info about yourself than you could have gotten via a search engine.

See also: Forer Effect aka Barnum Effect

As with any public forum, by putting content on Lemmy you make it available to the world at large to do basically whatever they want with. I don’t like AI scrapers in general, but I can’t reasonably take issue with this.

Well your handle is the mascot for the open LLM space…

Seriously though, why care? What we say in public is public domain.

It reminds me of people on NexusMods getting in a fuss over “how” people use the mods they publicly upload, or open source projects imploding over permissive licenses they picked… Or Ao3 having a giant fuss over this very issue, and locking down what’s supposed to be a public archive.

I can hate entities like OpenAI all I want, but anything I put out there is fair game.

I'm perfectly down with everything being scraped and slammed into AI the same way I've been down with search engines having it all for ages. I just want any models that contain information scraped from the public to be publicly available.

I don't like it, that's why I like to throw in just a cup or two of absolute bullshit with just a pinch of cilantro. then top it off with a firm jiggle to get that last drop out from the tip.

I couldn't even imagine speaking like this at first, but once you get used to it the firmness just slides right in and gives you a sense of fulfillment that you can't find anywhere else but home.

When the cows come home to roost, you know it's time to hang up your hat, take off your pants, and slide on the ice.

I expect all my public posts to be scraped, and I'm fine with that. I'm slightly biased towards it if it's for code generation.

if I have no other choice, then I'll use my data to reduce AI into an unusable state, or at the very least a state where it's aware that everything it spews out happens to be bullshit and ends each prompt with something like "but what I say likely isn't true. Please double check with these sources..." or something productive that reduces the reliance on AI in general

Is it scraping or just searching?
RAG is a pretty common technique for making LLMs useful: the LLM "decides" it needs external data, and so it reaches out to configured data source. Such a data source could be just plain ol google.