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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

Killing off predators has a cascading effect that comes back to bite you in the ass. They killed off all the natural predators of deer in Indiana and now, not only are there deer everywhere (people in Bloomington have to fence in their gardens because of an urban deer problem), if enough of them aren't culled by hunters every year, they eat up all the food and not only do a bunch of deer starve to death, but so do all the other animals that they share that food with.

But talk about re-introducing wolves and bears and cougars to Indiana and people think they'll be murdered in their beds... as if there are constant maulings in the parts of the U.S. with those animals. You're more likely to be killed by a deer running in front of your car in Bloomington in the middle of the day. Which sure as hell almost happened to me once.

[-] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Hunters are a big lobby here. They don't want competition by predators. As long as there's no natural balance, they can tell everyone their hobby is essential work for the preservation of nature. An actually sustainable solution is against their interests.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 months ago

The big problem with hunters "managing" wildlife is that they go out and shoot the big strong healthy ones, and not the small weak sickly ones. Overall it weakens the population.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Hunting is huge in Indiana (we're full of Republican rednecks after all), but even hunters have come to admit there's just not enough of them and too many deer at this point. They're the first ones seeing the effects.

As it is, I support them because it's them- and they generally eat what they hunt- or the Indiana Department of Natural Resources sends people out with rifles and puts the carcasses in a big pile and sets fire to it or whatever wasteful thing they would do.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

That is way over my ability to understand, but I will take your word for it.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

TL;DW it's similar to what I was saying above- the deer in Yellowstone were eating all the grass because there were no wolves. They reintroduced the wolves and the deer started avoiding areas where the wolves were most likely to catch them. Much like the negative cascading effect I was talking about in Indiana, this had a positive cascading effect which greatly increased the biodiversity of the entire region and even had effect on rivers due to less soil erosion.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 months ago

Wolf population in Spain is now around 3000, and is considered dangerously low for genetic diversity. What are the Swedes thinking?

[-] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Tell me about it! In Switzerland they voted to reintroduce the wolf in the country a few years back and this year they voted to shoot an entire pack... Humans, maaaan! SMH.

[-] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

When did that happen? I only remember that we declined the hunting law revision but never approved anything regarding reintriducing wolfs.

[-] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Bah would you look at that, I thought we did. You are correct, the wolf came back on its own and was not artificially re-introduced. So a pack can be killed if it caused too much damages.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 3 months ago

the swedish wolves were already hunted to the point of inbreeding before regulations were created.

[-] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 months ago

In several places that reintroduced wolves, government also pledged to compensate farmers for cattle killed by wolves, reducing the objections farmers had to intentionally increasing the wolf population. Perhaps a similar program would be appropriate here?

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago

Wolf haters are idiots that don't understand nature for shit.

[-] TrendigOsthyvel@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

The numbers doesn't match other sources. I would take this with a pinch of salt.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Can you link some? I tried looking at mainstream Swedish news sources and they have matching numbers. E.g: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/orebro/kritik-mot-licensjakten-pa-varg

[-] TrendigOsthyvel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Interesting, when looking around there is tons of sources showing different numbers all over the place. I settled for another SVT article https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/vargen-i-sverige-2024/

The issue is so polarizing I bet tons of groups want to push a narrative.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Thanks. It's the same in Norway: Wolves are hunted to technically-barely-not-extinction by some sources, and culled to "good for the wolves" numbers by other sources. Frustrating.

[-] smee@sosial.link 4 points 3 months ago
[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago
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