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Like, why is it so widespread, what causes it, what solutions are available, etc. I don't really know how to ask this question so I hope I'm making sense

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[-] Econgrad@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Men have been taught not to approach women in public unless it's online in a dating app. Women have always been taught not to approach men.

So no one is having relationships except for a very small portion of people who are disproportionately physically attractive.

Pair that with the hypergamy that women are doing where they only chase men out of their league now for the most part and it makes things that used to be normal and taken for granted like getting married and having a family exceptional jewels that are hard to come by.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I was about to write this exact thing and you’re already getting downvotes for it. People refuse to except reality.

There is an extremely large portion of men that are scared to put themselves out there because they are ostracized as creeps and fear the consequences of social shaming. “The worst she can say is no” is no longer true. The worst she can do is take a video of you while she publicly shames you for being a creep and trying to rape her.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Met my wife online during the pandemic.

Dated a fair few women before her, meeting online and in real life.

I’m not super attractive, and pretty awkward, but I always make the effort to be polite and actually listen instead of waiting to talk, you’d be amazed how far that actually gets you.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 week ago

This is an anecdote, also having good social skills was always a clever way to make up for looks.

Most people have not been properly socialized since childhood. They need to level up but it is one of them things kinda like being poor, you are starting behind and you need to work 2x to get to mid.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

If you don’t have good looks, that’s one thing, you can’t really change that.

But then if you don’t look good and you can’t try to hold a conversation, that’s your problem.

Learn to speak, it’s not hard. go talk to people and gain some confidence. All this talk about poor socialization or being unattractive and creepy just demoralizes people that I’m sure could actually make friends and meet spouses if they didn’t preemptively pull themselves out of the situation before they gave themselves the chance

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

There are multiple reasons for this. First of all due to the fact that a lot of infrastructure is based around cars society actively looses places for people to meet and hang out(I think this effect even has a name, but I'm not sure). Lack of places to interact with other people, and therefore lack of social interactions, causes a rise in loneliness. Then theres the problem with how men are supposed to act. We get told, that we shouldn't "ask out" women in every day life, since its now considered creepy. For me this causes a certain type of being not sure where and when it is OK to ask someone out leading to me not doing it since I don't want to get labeled as a creep. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to blame women for the male loneliness epidemic and there devinetively are a lot of men beeig creeps and asking someone out in absolutely the wrong situations, but this is something that needs to be said to understand the male loneliness epidemic. This also causes dating to take place online. Now the problem is, that online dating fucking sucks. Dating apps are useless, as long as you don't want to sell your kidney to them, since they want you to keep using it. If dating apps were somewhat usefull they'd be out pf buisness quite fast.

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[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 week ago

The atomization of society. The process of a society breaking down into smaller, isolated units, where individuals are self-interested and self-sufficient. It can lead to a feeling of being alone even when surrounded by people.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

What makes you think this is a gendered thing?

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 week ago

I don't think it is a gendered thing, but there are societal expectations regarding men versus women that can complicate the issue

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

Anyone who has gendered expectations is not a friend. Avoid them.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Saying this doesn't make the problem go away, it just makes you avoid the problem. Ironically, if you're a man, this often makes the problem worse for you.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Toxic masculinity makes men feel like they need to be strong independent and suffer silently.

As for the other side of the coin, i would guess the Women Are Wonderful Effect.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know Jordan Peterson has a lot of followers. He says it's the women's fault men are lonely. He says men are their victim, pictures women as evil while men should be on top. This creates an even bigger isolation and creates sex offenders.

In Japan and South Korea there are many men who are isolated because of videogames and it's online culture. They have a relationship with a Nintendo character of AI on their phone (no joke).

Because a lot of lonely men are on the internet, it's not a correct representation of the real world. Doesn't change the fact there are many non the less.

Just because there are many different cultures accessable for anyone through the internet, it's easier to isolate yourself in such a culture. Whether it's on reddit, 4chan, through games, forums or other social media groups. But it keeps you off the streets, away from real socializing, learning to behave, how to talk to a girl, find a hobby which isn't on your computer, meet real friends.

I know Jordan Peterson has a lot of followers. He says it's the women's fault men are lonely

Peterson has a habit of saying things that might technically be true in isolation but will then disagree with you when you try and make a conclusion from it. In this case he has also said it's men's fault for not making women a good enough 'offer'.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

As is echoed a lot in this entire post of replies: therapy isn’t really mentioned here. And that might be a key when it comes to male mental and emotional health.

Explain to me in actual words what a therapist is going to accomplish.

"Doctor doctor you've got to do something! Third spaces don't exist, there's no loitering signs everywhere you'll be arrested for standing around talking, everyone my age had kids and their lives fell off, bars charge $9.50 for an ounce of bourbon and expect a tip and they play Nickelback loud enough to be heard from the moon so I've just been sitting at home alone drinking diet soda and playing Subnautica over and over again and while I utterly love this game it's getting a little stale and Below Zero isn't...good at all? So I guess I'm a little bored."

"...Here's a prescription for an SSRI, that'll be $900."

[-] optissima@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Explain to me in actual words what a therapist is going to accomplish.

Lots of men aren't taught emotional intelligence and therapy is helpful for better identifying your emotions so your choices can actually have impactbon them.

I take it you didn't read and process the rest of my comment?

[-] optissima@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm very aware of the strawman, you specifically asked for an answer. Those are real issues, but you asked how a therapist could help.

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[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Traditional masculinity dictates that men don’t share their feelings (with the exception of anger and aggression because that’s not a feeling that’s just being manly). Sadness, despair, loneliness, depression all will be commonly bottled up and left untreated which leads to deep-seated feelings of isolation. The cure has to be a change in social norms, including decoupling the ideas of being socially vulnerable with being feminine.

This is a gross generalization of the issue but it definitely describes my experience with it.

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

I think you hit the nail on the head. To offer an anecdote, a locally beloved small business owner was recently diagnosed with cancer and was hospitalized. I asked one of his male employees if they're passing around a hat to help cover his bills, or at least signing a card. The guy laughed and said "That's a question for one of the girls. Men don't do that kind of shit."

It made me so sad. This guy was fighting for his life, and one of the men he's closest with acted like he didn't give a shit.

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