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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

This is so stupid. Did everyone stop using ballpoint pens because the inventor was a nazi? No.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

At least one people involved with the ballpoint pen was Jewish, so there's that.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago

but... I wouldn't drive a Tesla because of Elon Musk.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

But by buying a tesla youre giving elon money and promoting his product which is much more closely tied to his views than lemmy is to the devs views.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It has mbin and piefed on the list, so it’s not harming the network at all. If anything it’s more healthy with more platforms rather than just ml and world. It’s one site directing people to the fedi, I’m not butthurt about it

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The reasoning they give is ludicrous. That's idiotic as saying because someone put up a pedophile website, Apache is the devil. Even if Apache were built by NAMBLA, if it's opensource and doesn't randomly insert pictures of naked kids into your website, how does the developer matter to the product?

[-] lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago

Is there some feature comparison of lemmy vs mbin vs other reddit-like platforms? There was some major reason why I didn't like kbin, but I forgot why.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago

They keep changing every few weeks, so I guess that's why people haven't summarized the differences.

Do you have any question in particular?

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Lemmy was removed due to:

  • reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
  • the behavior of its creator
  • how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

All valid concerns.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

No, they're not.

how the developers handle certain types of content

Doesn't matter if you stay away from .ml.

the behavior of its creator

Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

how the sotware itself handles users’ privacy.

You think anything else on the Fediverse is better? When you post something publicly, it's public. Doesn't really matter what the software does. If you don't have End to End encryption, it's not private.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago
[-] kat@orbi.camp 0 points 2 months ago

Any way to migrate a self hosted lemmy instance to piefed?

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

No, it's not geared up for that. There's a platform called sublinks where the intention is to be initially compatible enough with Lemmy that it can be a drop-in replacement, but they haven't released anything yet.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 2 months ago

but they haven’t released anything yet

And with their current pace, it seems likely they never will. There's been no major development on it for months as far as I can see.

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 0 points 2 months ago

Python based: I was looking for that

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I don't expect it to scale well. Certainly not as well as Rust.

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

In terms of incoming federation, PieFed sites are dealing with as much activity as any general Lemmy instance. It's not happened yet, but I suppose it's possible that problems will become apparent if the amount of local users gets over a certain size. A limit on the amount of users per instance isn't necessarily a bad thing though (it's cheap, and hopefully easy enough, for someone to spin up another one).

[-] Suoko@feddit.it 0 points 2 months ago

What's going to cause problems? Python, the db, redis or other?

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

It uses postgres for the DB - I think that and redis are designed to operate at very large scales, so it wouldn't be them.

My guess would be that it's something in the interpreted nature of Python - this seems to be why a familiar dismissal of PieFed is a concern about how it will scale.

That said, this site shows that Python is the most popular language for Fediverse apps (just), the likes of Mastodon are written in another interpreted language (Ruby), and I think there are more big websites running Python (with Django or Flask) than people realise. So I don't know, really, I'm just following other people's lead on this. I don't imagine that any problems would be insurmountable though: an admin could restrict the amount of signups, or if new users mean a few more donations, they could just throw money at the problem (more cycles for one server, or splitting up tasks across multiple servers).

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago

Have you checked how muh software do you use that is enabled by capitalism?

[-] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago
[-] michael@lemmy.chrisco.me 0 points 2 months ago
[-] shadow@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago
[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago

Yup! I should make more use of the awesome infra (and the much better payment model than $ocial Media) but alas, I'm like a cat: lazy.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 months ago

What is the issue with user privacy? These do not sound like valid concerns to me.

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

This is all quite old drama, and the issue itself is fixed now, but at one point someone kicked off about how if you uploaded a picture to Lemmy, there was no easy way to delete it (you could delete your post, but the image would still be there at whatever URL was created for it, and it wasn't even that easy for admins to find and remove it) - so I'm guessing that it stems from that.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

Its older than that, and still ongoing. The devs doubled down on how GDPR (and user data privacy rights in general) do not matter to them

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 2 months ago

This is why I'm looking forward to Sublinks launching.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Piefed is more promosing. Sublinks has been on hold for a while now

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

It's almost certainly because of the tankie factory that is .ml and the fact that it's admins are all hard core tankies (including the main dev! And ofc the whole infamous Nutomic transphobe incident)

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

That's why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

.ml doesn't want growth, they want a tankie echo chamber, if anybody wants to actually see Lemmy grow at a healthy pace it starts with shuning the hostile tankies and their instances.

[-] occultist8128@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago

sorry, but what does tankie mean?

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

So, I should quit Lemmy now too?

[-] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

So far I haven't found a better alternative. Lemmy communities are already much smaller than their Reddit counterparts.

Personally, I don't plan to venture into even more remote locations. It defeats the community part of it...

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago
[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

It certainly is! The only "bad" part is the lack of a mobile client. And it kinda looks funky on mobile.

[-] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

The Thunder client is a godsend for Lemmy, I'm so happy with the work that developer has done. I feel like I'm still back on Reddit using Relay in the compact view.

For any of these alternatives to succeed mobile apps have to exist, and I doubt all the devs that popped up to make Lemmy apps want to retool yet again for a different platform.

[-] andrew_s@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

It's not so much that we expect the developers of Lemmy apps to retool. The hope is that, if we can provide a sensible, well-documented API, then it will appeal to front-end developers looking for a project. Also, if there are any devs of Lemmy mobile apps who are unhappy with Lemmy's API for any reason, then getting involved with PieFed's whilst it's still in development, offers them a chance to shape one to their desires.

Speaking of Thunder though - I've been able to compile it for desktop, and get it working with PieFed's API in the state it's in now. I've no experience with Flutter / Dart or front-end development, so it suggests that - for open source Lemmy apps, at least - it doesn't need to be the original author who ports it, and that the actual details a particular API are only a relatively small part of creating a good mobile app.

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