Tencent says it's not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn't removed from a blacklist (www.pcgamer.com)

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[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Here's a list of websites China bans:

Google
YouTube
Facebook
Yahoo
Wikipedia
Marxists Internet Archive
Reddit
Fandom
Netflix
Zoom
Blogspot
Bing
Instagram
WhatsApp
Twitch
Roblox
Steam Store
Steam Community
Spotify
Messenger
X
LinkedIn
Skype
Tumblr
Pinterest
SoundCloud
Signal Private Messenger
Dropbox
Pornhub
XVideos
Medium
Dailymotion
BBC
The New York Times
Vimeo
The Guardian
SlideShare
Discord
DeviantArt
The Washington Post
Nico Video
Archive.org (Internet Archive)
Bloomberg
Flickr
Wretch
HuffPost
The Wall Street Journal
DuckDuckGo
Scratch
Reuters
NBC News -TIME
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
Bandcamp
Technorati
Archive of Our Own
Viber
South China Morning Post
Plurk
The Economist
ABC
Voice of America
Radio Free Asia
NBC
PBworks
The Epoch Times
The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
HBO
WION
Hong Kong Free Press
Apple Daily
TikTok
ChatGPT
Rockstar Games
GitHub
Hugging Face
Flipkart
Zomato
Clubhouse
Swiggy
Truth Social
National Weather Service
Kanzhongguo (English)
Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
Microsoft Copilot
Telegram
Voice of America (Chinese)
Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)

[-] Xyii@fasheng.ing 0 points 1 week ago

The list is not entirely correct.

From china

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Change it on wikipedia!

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Ironically.....

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago

almost as if it's never been about security but about sinophobia

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol

I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.

I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.

I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

"Whataboutism" is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.

Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

"Whataboutism" is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.

If you don't have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure, but here it's pretty much about the trade war between the two.

Neither side is just, and so seeing it as "China bad" is not a neutral outlook.

In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

Here, opinions may vary, but that's outside the scope.

If you want my personal opinions, I would reverse the numbers. China is spreading authoritarian power and commits human rights violations primarily within its own confines and in some nearby regions like South China Sea, USA does it globally. Both are not great, though, and commonly I try to treat them with the same measuring stick.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

The last time the USA claimed territory was at the end of WWII.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The last time it militarily intervened in claiming foreign land for an allied country despite the objection of nearly the entire world is right now.

That's not to mention an enormous amount of coups and military interventions throughout the last decades. US has sewn more chaos globally than any other country in the history of the world - all in its own interest, of course.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Are you referring to Ukraine? Because you would be wrong.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

I'm referring to Israel.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Vote in 60 dem senators and they'll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they'll tax the rich.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

Not really.

Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.

Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.

Even if the DNC isn't your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 1 week ago

There is a reason why chinaman kicked out google and facebook from his market...

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 week ago

giving you the benefit of the doubt like maybe english isn’t your first language, that word is considered a pejorative/slur in all modern usage

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

It's never been anything but.

[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Naw, it was most commonly used as a term similar to "that chinese guy" which is easy to confuse with racism at a time period where people were generally racist towards the chinese, but the term itself is not racist. There were actual slurs back then they could use if they were about that.

My Grandmother said they always bought they're vegetables growing up from the chinaman who rolled his cart through the alleyway behind their homes. It's not a term of hate, but it's easy to say hateful things alongside it.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee -2 points 1 week ago

The people going around loudly policing other people's language do more harm to leftist causes than good.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago

...Trump announces he made a peace deal with China

[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I'm sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won't be forced to act maliciously under duress.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.

Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Force implies force. If you have evidence that it was actually done by force. Against Torvald's etc will. Please share it. Otherwise get out of here with your gasslighting.

Any project open source or otherwise can and does restrict contribution.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Saying that I’m gaslighting without even bothering to check the facts is a very interesting approach. USA sanctions on Russia regarding software and IT services went into effect on September, and all parties had 90 days to comply or be sanctioned as well. If he really did it only because he wanted to, why not do it as soon as the Russian invasion started? Why not do it as soon as the sanctions were announced (June)? Not kicking all employees from sanctioned companies means the Linux Foundation is sanctioned as well.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Okay, and? Torvald and many others aren't American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren't forced to do it.

You're claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It's Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Torvald and many others aren't American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren't forced to do it.

This is my last response to you because you just keep saying things that are false while calling me the liar. Linus is an American citizen, and even if he wasn’t, the Linux Foundation is an American organisation.

You're claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It's Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.

Literally linked the USA sanctions that apply to this case, but ok.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

This is my last response to you

Don't threaten me with a good time.

Link whatever you want. But prove your point. You keep saying correlation equals causation. But they're two different words with two different meanings. Correlation does not imply causation.

I absolutely believe the timing of this was influenced by those sanctions 100%. I also believe it was influenced by both China and Russia attacking International infrastructure. Things like the other side of the table being cut , or the ZX back door orchestrated by China last year.

I believe all these things factor into why Linus and the foundation CHOSE to expel those contributors. Because they are vulnerable to those authoritarian States. And are thus a vector to attack the projects. Which they did not have staff or funds to audit and ensure they weren't.

You keep implying that this was not a choice that Torvalds and the foundation did it against their will. Despite Torvalds posting the opposite. You can keep linking to the sanctions all you want. And while I think the sanctions played a part in this. I still think Torvalds and the foundation chose to do it on their own. And were not under duress to comply. Unlike your average Russian or Chinese citizen. Not that the West is Worlds better.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily

Instantly disregarded. Completely boneheaded thing to say.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Spoken like an willful adherent of a failed ideology.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that's right. I willfully pay rent and I willfully adhere to capitalism. No force used anywhere.

Sorry you said something stupid and got mad when someone pointed it out :(

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Damn your projection is off the charts. But I mean it's what we've come to expect from leninists. The childish Behavior I mean.

Had I actually said anything stupid. Then you should have been easily able to refute it. Yet you can't. You can't even actually acknowledge or reply to anything that I said. Instead choosing to Make up things or imagine things that were never Said.

BTW I'm an anarchist. I have no love for rent seeking leaches. Just as I don't for capitalist/leninist hypocrites.

[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It's not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Same goes for US companies.

Have we learned nothing from Snowden?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).

China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.

This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.

Edit: For people who think I mean "party" like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.

Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers

Why is this on a different level? Is it because they're ASIANS?

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.

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