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If you want to hang out or use the restroom at Starbucks, you’re going to have to buy something.

Starbucks on Monday said it was reversing a policy that invited everyone into its stores. A new code of conduct – which will be posted in all company-owned North American stores – also bans discrimination or harassment, consumption of outside alcohol, smoking, vaping, drug use and panhandling.

Starbucks spokesperson Jaci Anderson said the new rules are designed to help prioritize paying customers. Anderson said most other retailers already have similar rules.

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[-] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 3 months ago

Quick reminder that your local library probably does not follow those rules. Go hang out at your local library instead! Depending on location/country they might have a café too.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And libraries are not just about books. This is a thread I made about the new library branch my wife oversaw the design of opening:

https://lemmy.world/post/21386043

The reason conservatives hate libraries is because everything in them is free. Many (like my wife's library system) do not even charge late fees anymore.

Many modern libraries also offer a ton of digital lending including ebooks, audiobooks and even streaming movies and TV.

[-] Screamium@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My local library also offers a thermal camera rental! I've borrowed one several times, it's very useful!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Nice! Having the free 3D printer access has been really useful for us on more than one occasion. We have no need to purchase one, but maybe once every six months, we might need to replace a part to something we can just 3D print and it's been great.

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

You just have to slowly start printing all the pieces for your own ~~Von Neumann probe~~ printer

[-] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

There are several designs for (partially) 3d printed printers.

The original RepRap was one, and Prusa printers have quite a few 3d printed components. Aside from the electronics, hot end, motors, screws, and aluminum frame, that's entirely possible.

Obviously that's still a lot you need to buy, but probably over half the actual parts are printable.

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

As someone with only a casual interest in 3d printing, are the open source 3d printers worth the effort it takes to make them vs buying one?

[-] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It's like anything else. There are super high quality mass produced printers for like $200, so if you want to make some prints for the lowest cost possible, that's the way to go.

If you want a hobby about learning and tweaking the printer itself, then yup, the open source printers are really good and fun to work with.

If you want to make super strong, high quality prints for prototyping, or industrial applications, then you're probably going to need to get a serious, real manufactured printer.

The nice thing about 3d printing, is that there's options for anyone's interest level.

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Just curious, but do they still have due dates if not late fees?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

They do. But basically it triggers a series of nagging emails which eventually result in a final one saying that you either return the book or pay for the book if you wish to continue using library services. If I remember correctly, that takes about nine months. And they don't charge some outrageous price for the book either, they just charge what it would cost to replace it. They might not even do that because they might not actually want to replace it, but my wife has never actually told me that. I imagine that's the case though because they're constantly weeding out books that no one has taken a look at in 20 years in order to make room for new books.

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Seems like a cool system but if your waiting for a copy of a new release they only have w5 copies of I can see not getting to read it for a very long time.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Most people are honest people. Especially people who use libraries. It's just not a big problem as far as I know.

Also, if you're going to a library to get a book, you probably don't want to keep the book.

[-] Willy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Makes sense. I guess I’m one of the few who can never finish a book by the due date so I end up buying instead. Maybe I should just start returning those to the library cause I never read em again.

Edit: huh. My library got rid of fees a few years ago. TIL.

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

If I recall correctly (i.e., I'm talking out my ass), when people have late fees that continue to stack up, some percentage of people will decide to just stop using the library. This results in them keeping the books, and also removes them as customers. This ultimately costs the library more than they gain by having fees.

Also, there's the saying "a fine is a price". The idea is that by having a late fee, people are okay paying the late fee. Shame is often stronger than modest fees.

[-] expr@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

We use the library a lot and honestly it's just not an issue. People respect libraries and generally return books by the due date.

[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

I love going to the library to panhandle and smoke. Librarians don't mind, I always leave them a good tip.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But I can't talk about how cool my macbook is and the bootstrap code I just copy and pasted

[-] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 months ago

You still can but the librarian might shush you.

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
Support
Local
Coffee
Shops

thanks.

[-] Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

This, also BDS.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago

Targeting the growing homeless population. Don't let it confuse you for anything else.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Exactly. Fascism was here but all the billionaires are putting out their flags now.

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[-] lurklurk@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago

It's a café though... Isn't this normal for a café?

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 months ago

Yeah. But now they don't have any advantages over other cafés. Except the fact that their coffees basically double as a rich snack I guess.

[-] BenReilly97@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Sure, if you like burned coffee.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Just put ten parts milk in there with some sugar and you'll never know.

[-] Fisherman75@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

It's the consumption of an idea. There's very little in the way of substance at Starbucks. I achieved more than any Starbucks order by grinding my folgers classic roast just now while using an unbleached compostable coffee filter and having cleaned the coffee maker with all natural biodegradeable dish soap. Can't afford good coffee grounds right now, but recently I had 'Punk Goes The Bunny', Billie Joe Armstrong's (from Green Day) coffee brand.

But here I am wondering if I'm just consuming a bunch of ideas myself. Consuming the idea of Punk Rock for instance, or eco-friendliness, or health. But then I catch myself and say "Those are tangible benefits." Anything more likely to make me listen to The Clash is a positive, anything that's not gonna put bleach in my body, anything that's gonna be clean for making coffee but without such a residue of dangerous chemicals as is typical with cleaners, and anything to add to my compost.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I didn't follow all that, but the Clash is the only band that matters.

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

Hanging out in Libraries is free! I've gone in just for the AC.

[-] ErrorCode@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

AC, read something, have a nice seat for a while.

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[-] frunch@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

"Hey, look at us--we're the new public hangout, everyone's invited"

Expands into an empire dotting the entire country

"Sorry poors--paying customers only, please."

Embrace, extend, extinguish all over again 🎉

[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

If I remember correctly, this policy was introduced after they got flack because some employee called the cops on a black person who was just hanging out inside the store.

Turns out money is more important to them than the appearance of inclusion surprised pikachu face

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Embrace, extend, extinguish all over again

I do not think that means what you think it means.

[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago

The best thing I've seen in a coffee shop was a "Please no laptops" sign.

Its ridiculous how everyone just goes and works in coffee shops all day.

I understand buying a coffee, and working while you enjoy it. But once you're done, and your work is saved gtfo.

We need more third spaces.

[-] kirbowo808@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 3 months ago

Well this gives me a good excuse to never go to Starbucks ever again (even though people shouldn’t be going to Starbucks anyway)

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

Just put a CC reader on the bathroom door.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

Then put a Starbucks in the restroom.

[-] Fisherman75@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Like russian nesting dolls. Just starbucks all the way down.

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[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

So what I'm hearing is people need to start pissing and shitting on the building itself.

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I can piss and shit on Starbucks management by not going there - all doing it for real does is force some underpaid barista to have to go clean shit up, and management learns nothing.

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[-] Chessmasterrex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Meh, the last time I've been in one was 2011. Too expensive for what it is, and plenty of other options in my city.

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[-] bcgm3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

My fiancee got a Starbucks gift card from work, so we stopped by the one nearest us. The drive-through wrapped all the way around the building, so we went inside. Inside, there was only one huge table, with only one spot with an electrical outlet, and the music and cafe atmosphere were so loud... I can't imagine anybody trying to bring a laptop and "work" there.

But if I did, I guess I'd buy a coffee? That seems fair. I definitely prefer my local library for remote working outside of the house, though.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

It's been awhile since I went to a library, but are there places for taking remote meetings to avoid disturbing others?

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Oftentimes, yes. Mine has a series of little rooms. They are often used by teens working on homework together.

[-] Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

Other than meeting rooms, I've seen some with the little privacy pods too.

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[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Had to check if this was an Onion article.

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