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Summary

In a virtual speech at the World Economic Forum, Trump suggested Canada could become a U.S. state to avoid his proposed tariffs on imports.

The remark elicited gasps from the audience.

Trump claimed the U.S. does not need Canadian lumber, energy, or vehicles, vastly overstating the trade deficit between the two nations.

He reiterated his intention to impose tariffs, potentially as high as 25%, on imports from Canada and Mexico starting February 1.

Economists warn such tariffs would raise prices for U.S. consumers.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I still don't think he realizes the tariffs he keeps threatening us with hurt his people way more....

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

By "his people," you mean most voters, yeah.

But for high millionaires/billionaires, this is effectively a regressive tax that will benefit them.

[-] r0ertel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I'm going to keep posting this every time I see a reference to US tariffs against Canada.

https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/

The TL;DR is that tariffs would violate the NAFTA / USMCA treaty in which Canada agreed to respect US copyright law in exchange for free trade. No free trade? Canada doesn't need to respect US copyright any longer and can become a flourishing economy of products to compete with US products that are massively overpriced. Think printer ink and other stuff.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

You're misunderstanding the situation, then, sorry..

Trump isn't rational, he is narcissistic-machiavellian-sociopathic.

IF Canada retaliates like that, THEN Trump may well declare war against Canada.

They would only need to drop a single large conventional-bomb on Ottawa, & then claim Canada as their "manifest destiny", declaring all Canadians to be "illegal aliens & criminals", & their "problem" would be "fixed".

He may not have the guts to do that this-week, but he is progressing psychologically, & the end-point of that progression, about 4y in our future, is as the most-murderous-dictator-on-the-planet.

He will be the complete-set: narcissistic, machiavellian, psychopathic, nihilist, sadist, systemically-dishonest, & hate, before the transformation is complete.

Tread carefully, when one is near a heavily-armed psychiatrically-defective giant, eh?

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[-] r0ertel@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Sometimes I think you're right. Other times I think that couldn't possibly be true.

I've studied many of the bigger wars and they've all mostly have been started by far less severe events. It's scary that one person could wield all that power, unchecked and unaccountable.

It sounds like it's time to build a bunker.

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Sweet. Host all pirate sites in Canada.

[-] Oaksey@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Not pirated, works no longer covered by copyright in Canada.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago

"could" raise prices for americans?

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Media is complicit.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I've written to seven senators asking them to make an amendment to the relevant legislation to call it the "Trump inflation explosion act 2025". Not really, but that's what this is.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

"Surrender to my imperialism or I'm going to ruin your economy"

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago
[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

"Go fuck yourself" says Canada.

Just like our Danish friends recently told Trump.

[-] studentofarkad@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Did someone brainwash this dude to annex other countries or something? Its like he wants to leave a legacy behind of being the first president in the modern age to expand America.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

He’s an agent provocateur hired by the Russkis whether he knows it or not.

[-] Homescool@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The best puppet. Nobody takes a hand up the butt like me.

[-] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Well, his idol annexed and invaded other countries, so obviously he should too!

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

LMAO..

HE ACTUALLY SPOKE THE TRUTH, that his intention is POSSESSION & SUBJUGATION/slavery, not collaboration-with??

You will notice that this has been updated, with the head-wound "miraculously" cured,

..though I insist that the original-prophecy referred to mental head-injury's cure, & that that hasn't happened, yet..

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

You will notice that the ancient biblical prophecies were about someone extraordinarily possessive, eh?

I wonder just how much corroboration has to happen, before the Christians begin taking it seriously..

  • shruggeth *

The ancient Jewish & Christian prophecies are accurate, in this case.. ( so are the Indigenous ones, but most don't care about those.. interesting, though, when such predictions get sooo much right, that's certain, in empiricism.. : )

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[-] dontbelasagne@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The antichrist is said to be given power for 42 months and then die in revelation so if trump dies July 2028 (Trump was given power in Jan 2025) then we may only have a few more years in this world. Enjoy it while you can. If you're lucky enough to enjoy it.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The Canada, Mexico, California, Washington Oregon States.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Putin's Sock Puppet taking orders from Moscow to divide the NATO members. For starters, the Canadians should stop buying US made weapons, because the current US leadership is unhinged and unreliable. If anything, the Blue States should become Canadian Provinces.

[-] ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

They don't want us. As soon as NYS joins, NYC would dominate the votes, due to wild population differences.

[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Why wouldn't Canada want any state to join our Confederation?

Guaranteed if that were to happen we would be switching to a proportional representation federal vote to fix large population differences.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The US consumers voted for Trump to lower the price of eggs.

The price of eggs is soaring today. Why? Because bird flu is killing chicken.

So what does Trump do? He cancels research on bird flu. Surely the irony won't be missed on the magats who voted him in.

And now this: aggression against allied nations that will result in more price hikes. More irony for the maga morons to enjoy.

It's only been 4 days. It's gonna be a long 4 years...

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Trump won't tolerate the 2028 election to remove him.

The Civil War Part2 ocean-of-slaughter begins then.

Please do not rely on hopium to protect you & your loved-ones.

Please begin getting capable, or out, now.

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[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago
[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 0 points 3 months ago

If he slaps massive tariffs, the prices will go through the roof. If USA annexes Canada, the prices should go down, and I guess that’s was the plan.

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Been a while since Canadians burnt down the white house. Looking more and more like the Americans need another spanking to put them in their place.

[-] zib@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

At this rate, I think a few Americans might help.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Surely the irony won’t be missed on the magats who voted him in.

Oh... You have some completely unrealistic faith on Humanity...

Of course they will miss the irony. And in 4 years, they will claim the constant 4 years of inflation on Biden.

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[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The term 'magat' is just so on the nose, no matter how deep you go with the analogy.

A maggot is a mindless sack of flesh that wriggles and writhes all over itself and its neighbors, feeding on a constant diet of rot and decay. And if it survives that stage? It becomes a fly, attracted to steaming piles of shit, regurgitating the same diet that it feeds on just to consume it again, and then buzzing off to distract, annoy, and generally piss off the regular folk who are just trying to get on with their day.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Sorry, but Kahneman1-mind, imprint->reaction mind, including all ideology/prejudice/"religion",

CANNOT solve the problem that Kahneman1-mind created.

Einstein got that right: a different level of mind is required to dismantle the problems created with a particular level of mind.

Cultivating automatic-prejudice against MAGA cult members just polarizes things even more.

Only Kahneman2-mind, considered-reasoning, CAN counter ideology's highjacking-of-the-entire-planet-for-its-tantrum, that it's working-up-to, this decade.

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I still remember fondly the Trump speech at the UN when the whole assembly laughed at him.

I suspect that there's going to be a lot more of that to come.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

We must strengthen NATO's defences against the aggressive USA and significantly improve border defences, lest they catch us with our pants down when the time comes.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

I'm willing to die not to join the US.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

How does this lower the price of my god damn eggs?

Also he does know that Canada would be yet another blue state right?

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Tariffs raise prices. That's kinda their thing.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Why the fuck is this asshole fighting with fucking Canada? Goddamn I can't wait until he dies.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

You will be waiting until 2031 or 2032, then.

He won't tolerate the 2028 election, so Civil War Part2 begins around then..

Only when "either his or NOBODY's" has finished butchering Turtle Island, will he be "finished".

People are living in hopium, instead of understanding the actual context, with the fascists allying globally, to butcher the whole world, for their "glory", or self-worship..

Please live strategically: too many are going to be wasted-lives, when things go to hell, for real: this is only the appetizer, I'm afraid..

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Reminder that Tariffs dont work as a threat to other nations.

The selling price is the same for the seller, they already give the lowest price they can profit from because the modern era allows international distributors to find a demand anywhere, the buyers are the ones paying the import tax for the same goods.

If you were selling and then the buyer had a tariff you wouldn't just agree to take less money as a result.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Isn't the point to make the domestic customers choose products from other nations? Why wouldn't that be a threat to the nation that is selling?

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah but it only really works if it's targeted. Threatening blanket tariffs on countries that represent 60% of all imports (EU, China, Mexico, Canada) takes a bit of the impact away, it's unlikely domestic production could handle all that. Even if it could, why wouldn't American companies raise their prices as much as they felt they now could?

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Probably true. I don't know enough to speak further down this line. 😅 But I thank you for joining and sharing that! Interesting!

I think it's a "threat" but not a very good one.

There might be 3 brands of toothbrush available to buy in the US but maybe all of them are manufactured in China. If you just tariff everything from China then US consumers will just pay more because there's no incentive for manufacturers to absorb the tariff.

It's a threat to Chinese toothbrush manufacturers because it creates an incentive for other manufacturers to pop up elsewhere, maybe someone will start manufacturing toothbrushes in the US. These toothbrushes would be cheaper than the tariffed ones for consumers to buy, but obviously more expensive than toothbrushes used to be before the tariffs.

In summary, because consumers are unlikely to buy less toothbrushes, they just end up paying more.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

These toothbrushes would be cheaper than the tariffed ones for consumers to buy, but obviously more expensive than toothbrushes used to be before the tariffs.

I think this is my whole point? You'd obviously buy the cheaper one of the products are (fairly) identical. So the Chinese product is disregarded, and thus that market is being hurt.

Sure ok but to make that point you have to skip over all the other significant impediments to this plan.

You need to build, staff, and supply a local manufacturing plant for toothbrushes.

This is no small thing and not something that can be created overnight. It's not even as simple as "building" a factory... you need the supply chain, and most of the requisite supplies probably come from China - plastic to make the brush head, plastic to make the handles, machines to form the plastic, and technicians to maintain those machines. If you want to invent all these things locally and avoid the retaliatory tariffs from China, that's going to take decades.

During those decades consumers will be buying the tariffed Chinese toothbrushes wondering why the fuck everything from toothbrushes to shampoo to laundry powder to televisions costs twice as much as it does in any other country.

So my whole point is, there's a "threat" to Chinese producers but it's not very likely to materialise because the US will lose the political will to maintain the tariffs long before locally made products appear.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I was thinking more along the lines of choosing other manufacturers that already exist, that don't have tariffs affecting them, but in case they don't (exist), you definitely have a good point from what I can understand. 👍😁

Thanks for explaining!

[-] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

I would welcome fifty new Congressional districts, the overwhelming majority of which would vote Blue within an American political framework.

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah you don't know much about Canada, I guess. roughly half would vote democrat, roughly half republican, varying by 5, 10 percent up and down each individual election same as you see every election down south. The Conservatives form government for 8-10 years every 8-10 years federally.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Your guess is incorrect. The Overton window in Canada is quite a bit to the left of where it is in the US.

Bernie would be considered a centrist in Canada.

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