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UK, and no, censorship is bad, especially if it's controlled by a capitalist government.
But... the foreign black-box feed shaping algorithms are controlled by oligarch capitalists, and they are doing shadow-censorship. Ever thought about why Brexit won?
If you banned the giant social media platforms, people would come to Lemmy, freeing themselves from what you say is bad.
Not a blanket ban no, but if they constantly break our laws then yes. And I'm perfectly ok with laws that some would decry as censorship (anti-hate-speech, fact-checking) or claim makes business impossible (strict interpretations of GDPR).
Is "not constantly breaking our laws" enough? They are in our pockets, desktops, and server rooms. They know way too much about us, and have the opportunity to spy, manipulate, and sabotage.
Even if we had a way to make sure foreign social media is not doing subtle mass manipulation with their black-box feed shaping algorithms, tailored bias, and shadow-censorship, we can’t make sure closed-source code doesn't have back doors for spying and sabotage. You have to ban it to be safe, which is what China does, mostly.
Fuck no. The Americans provide 90% of our entertainment and they're actually fun people to interact with and chat with (the ones that aren't wearing MAGA hats that is). What am I gonna go without Americans on social media? Talk about fucking Table Mountain? Join the Europeans in looking down on the USA for everything and always acting like their own shit doesn't stink?
Fuck that, I'd start using VPNs.
They can join us on non-American social media.
Absolutely not. I'll rather choose for myself which content I consume than have the government choose it for me.
Based.
And freepilled
Not banning any content, just the giant social media platforms with their purposely biased feeds. The content will reach non-banned social media and have a less biased weighting in feeds here.
I sure hope everyone who wants to ban these things actually has plans to create their own content or Lemmy's gonna become quite empty.
Surely squeezing people out of social media giants would bring many more people to Lemmy?
That’s a double edged sword right there. If you don’t allow external influences, you block both good and bad types of conversations. What you’re left with is only the local conversation, which might be balanced or biased depending on where you live.
If you live under a dictatorship, you might really want some of that external influence. If you can trust that the local conversation is good and balanced, banning Twitter and Meta won’t have any serious drawbacks.
The question is not about banning foreigners from our social media, it's about banning foreign-controlled social media. The Americans can join us here on Lemmy.
No, not if they follow our laws. That being said I don't use much social media.
How could you make sure that closed-source code follows our laws? That it has no back doors for spying and sabotage, and that social media feed shaping algorithms have no bias and shadow-censorship for mass manipulation? You can't, you need to ban it.
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no, i support an open internet. censorship is stupid and generally easily worked around. which usually leads to an escalation to make it more and more difficult, until you have chinese-style internet.
The aim of the ban is not censorship -- it's to free ourselves from the purposely biased feed shaping algorithms mass-manipulating our populace. The content would be allowed, but it would be promoted by human upvotes, not corporate and CIA interests.
I don't believe censorship is the solution there. It can be used for good, but more often than not it's the kind of system that can be massively misused to silence inconvenient information.
The best solution is teaching people to think critically early on so they learn to question information and seek both sides of the story before drawing conclusions and avoid confirmation bias. Don't silence misinformation, teach the tools to render misinformation worthless.
Texas GOP Platform:
Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
No. How much shit do we need to ban before you dumb fucks understand prohibition never fucking works and only fuels more crime.
Two points:
- Can you unban abortion and harder drugs then please?
- Gun/ammunition banning/control has been shown to drastically reduce mass murders and shootings. Similar to how needing a license to drive a car has dramatically increased road safety.
China banned many foreign services and made their own substitutes. What crime is being fueled? Bypassing the great firewall using VPNs is insignificant because most people are on the recommended domestic social media. This way China shut out most of enemy manipulation and propaganda, which is why I support the ban in the EU.
Yes.
Please tell me what I'd lose if you turned off X, Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit.
"I've got mine, fuck off"
I don't follow? Social media adds very little value to our lives. It has displaced genuine interactions and filled our lives with vapid time wasters.
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No. And I would continue helping people evade whatever censorship a government tries to impose on them.
Not censoring content, just banning the giant-corp black-box feed shaping algorithms pushing fascist propaganda.
I'm way too familiar with liberals labeling everything they don't like as "fascist propaganda" :)
So, still no.
You might be interested in this piece from a government funded Australian think tank about escaping the current social media environment
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/social-media-as-it-should-be/
Nope
No - just like I don't want to ban people having a conversation in a pub about a topic I don't like even if they just tell lies to each other.
If it was up to the EU we'd still believe there was no chance in the world the Corona Covid virus could have ever come from a Chinese lab and even suggesting it should have you banned from social media. Free float of ideas and let the best argument win.
How about when one of the people in the pub conversing is an enemy agent in a cold war, always telling lies?
That would be the equivalent of what we do now: we let foreign social media govern who of us converses with whom about what, by shaping our feeds with black-box recommendation algorithms.
Only on Lemmy folks , people who complain about their freedoms being taken out, media censorship against their ideology and living in a LITERAL dictatorship since Trump took power, who claim to advocate for freedom of speech and information
That very same people actively demanding for information shared on social networks to be controlled, networks to be shutdown and people to be censored based on unknown and ambiguous criteria, without even understanding the implications of it.
Details at six
And for your question? No. People is free to choose what to think, listen, say or read. Fucking fascists
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