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Wait until the dummies figure it out. This is one reason I dread interacting with threads users.
Eternal September, n-th iteration.
Summerfags were originally collegefags.
Who knew?
Add to it, some of us habitual lurkers (me for example) find it not as meaningless to comment. Didn't want to do it often because most comments get buried and it would feel empty and kinda pointless.
I like lurking, with a comment here or there. I have noticed the comment sections are giant circle jerks with everyone congratulating each other on how smart and civil they are. Better than aggression and trolling but still... ew.
I already see it and it bums me out. People are already stepping in a discussion just to be aggressively mean for no reason. I hope we can reply to them with patience instead of feeding the monster (or, just, y'know, don't engage)
Grumblegrumble this is our chance to be different!
Yep, that and people bringing along all the mindless echo chambers and circlejerking I was hoping to leave behind on reddit.
People hated reddit for these reasons, and many of us left reddit for these reasons, and now these toxic assholes are doing everything they can to make lemmy just like reddit.
I wish those people would just stay on reddit. If they want to make lemmy like reddit why did they even leave??
So... people should disagree with each other just to disagree?
If you're talking about biased mods, then I completely agree. But as far as the community, of course people are going to agree with what's popular and disagree with what isn't.
That's what makes things popular and unpopular.
This is a real braindead take and I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. If you can't tell the difference between circlejerks and echo chambers, and people simply discussing things they mostly agree with, that's your own problem.
Doesn't mean it's not a real issue or a thing that even exists, that's just a silly thing to even say.
Lol, what?
I was aggressively downvoted for saying conservatives aren't all greedy selfish assholes, and providing links to liberal sources to back up my claims.
The left hates it when people who aren't the left are allowed to speak.
Do you think -and I really mean this in earnest- that saying people unfairly slander conservatives and then unfairly slandering the left is counterproductive?
I didn't slander shit. I posted two facts. Facts can't be slander. You know I'm right, and you're perfectly capable of using a search engine so don't even bother going that route, I'm not here to teach you.
It's wild. Maybe it's a honeymoon period where we're all in this big spaceship together, or maybe that's just what it's gonna be like! There's a sort of liberating feeling of being on Lemmy that I think brings out the best in people
I think the transparency goes a long way to keeping the platform (instances) high quality.
Yet. I think there's a critical mass aspect to this. The Eternal September of Lemmy is yet to happen
It also comes down to what instance you happen to visit. Lemmygrad for example is a legit tankie cesspit. There's currently a popular post about Greta Thunberg and it pretty quickly devolves into calling her a traitor, because she met with Zelensky: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/902175?scrollToComments=true . Among other things you will find plenty of justification for the Russian invasion and their war crimes. And the admins openly support trolling outsiders. I'm on the left and I don't have an issue with Marxism or the concept of communism, but fuck that instance.
I can't stand lemmy grad and I hope every instance defederates soon. They're absolute scum of the earth edgelord contrarians and nothing more.
I haven't seen them until this was mentioned.
I hope users one day have the ability to block entire instances on their own.
I feel like there isn't a "hive mind" on Lemmy like there was/is on Reddit. Even if just a few folks disagreed with your opinion on Reddit, everyone else felt like they HAD to downvote it too and then the next thing you know, you're being downvoted to oblivion. Here, it seems that folks actually respect your opinion whether or not they agree with it; and while you may get a few downvotes or more, people aren't afraid of upvoting your comment either.
Such a different vibe and I'm here for it!
I think a hive mind will develop, just based on the nature of the format. In any community there will be prevailing opinions that are upvoted and dissenting opinions that are downvoted. People are still settling down and searching for their specific corners to camp in, which is why you're probably seeing more variety for the time being.
Plus Beehaw exists, so there's your hive mind right there. Get it? Cause they're bee themed? Beehive?
Is Beehaw like Lemmy? The world feels like it has exploded since Reddit died (imo), I have been never on the niche parts of the internet but this is so interesting and i like it. So is Beehaw worth checking out?
He was joking. Hive mind and Bee -haw. Bees make hive. Source: I do dad jokes too.
I understand the joke lmao, I'm just asking in all honesty.
Beehaw is a Lemmy instance that defederated from a couple of large instances. Lemmy.world being one of them
And they all act like a hive mind, massive circle jerk?
Lemmy is new and it’s not very big yet. If it grows big enough it will be eventually
Sure, but it took years for reddit to devolve into what it is today. It started out as a really great place to read interesting articles on all kinds of topics and have intelligent discussions about them afterwards. Reddit hasn't been like that in a very, very, very long time but what we have going on here right now is very close to that.
I'm afraid the bots and techniques to troll, manipulate, etc. that have been developed for Reddit, can directly translate to Lemmy. Instances that grow big fast, are likely to get targetted much faster than Ye Olde Reddit was.
A small handful of people are working to change that, you find them here and there. Easy to identify as they downvote based on "I don't like that.", they're not really capable of greater complexity usually. Or that's how it seems anyway.
We should expect it to get worse though, as our population grows. It's inevitable, the internet is the internet. Our initially strong culture is an excellent sign though, if our growth continues at a measured pace, we should be able to maintain it for some time.
Especially the upvote/downvote system drives bandwagon behavior. If a post gets like 3 downvotes and the next gets 2, people just look at the votes and assume who's right and follow that. They will literally think votes decides what's right. Though when you're on the other side of that, it's also important to know that votes don't matter and it doesn't mean you're wrong. It's also important to know when to leave a conversation when it stops being a discussion and turns into an argument. Arguments are literally useless and just aggravating, which people won't admit that they love.
The reddit behavior certainly still comes out. But an upside about decentralization is you can block the instance they're from since that annoying behavior tends to follow the same company and you probably block a lot more annoying people as a result.
I've looked at comments I didn't feel like reading, looked at the score then voted based on that. This is a bias we're all subject to, knowingly or not.
You see a comment had -20 downvotes your interpretation of the contents is immediately swayed to side with the majority. Removing downvotes ~~looking at you beehaw~~ also doesn't solve this problem. Less likes than the person who responded to you? You must be wrong.
So I'm glad Lemmy, at least the browser version, shows both up and downvotes by default and the total score is hidden away in the top right. Helps remove a little bit of bias.
Yes, it absolutely does. But I think it's still worth it to have a downvote system.
I'm glad we can even see the exact ratio, too. The more transparency, the better.
At the same time, it would be cool if users could just sort by means other than votes. If you'd like, it'd be nice if you could hide the votes altogether so you don't see them. I wouldn't do this, but I support having the option to for those who would.
Honestly it’s just like Reddit. The fact that you haven’t had bad experiences yet just means your beliefs matches the ones most recurring on Lemmy, which are mostly left/woke leaning.
If you simply question or disagree with people here it’s the same as Reddit, or sometimes even worse.
Reddit admins fucked up real bad, but all that toxicity was solely user fault. People behave like real dicks when they find their identities hidden behind a nickname, that’s just common knowledge.
If you want to be mentally sane and happy probably better avoid Lemmy and every other social network. People are garbage.
I find the quality of content to be way higher. People aren't desperately trying to stand out or fit in with a crowd.
You're right about the mods, though. All it takes is a large number of reports and they will usually come up with a reason to reprimand you, even if you aren't breaking any rules.
This, of course, has been and will continue to be abused to drown out people with dissenting opinions.
Content quality is basically a symptom of the lack of a karma system, which is very good.
That's not true.
I agree, for the most part. But I already have noted a couple instances of the kind of behavior I expected to see on Reddit.
There's always, always going to be an insufferable group of people who spends their aimless lives just shitting all over everything.
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