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If there’s one thing I’d hoped people had learned going into the next four years of Donald Trump as president, it’s that spending lots of time online posting about what people in power are saying and doing is not going to accomplish anything. If anything, it’s exactly what they want.

Many of my journalist colleagues have attempted to beat back the tide under banners like “fighting disinformation” and “accountability.” While these efforts are admirable, the past few years have changed my own internal calculus. Thinkers like Jean-Paul Sartre and Hannah Arendt warned us that the point of this deluge is not to persuade, but to overwhelm and paralyze our capacity to act. More recently, researchers have found that the viral outrage disseminated on social media in response to these ridiculous claims actually reduces the effectiveness of collective action. The result is a media environment that keeps us in a state of debilitating fear and anger, endlessly reacting to our oppressors instead of organizing against them.

Cross’ book contains a meticulous catalog of social media sins which many people who follow and care about current events are probably guilty of—myself very much included. She documents how tech platforms encourage us, through their design affordances, to post and seethe and doomscroll into the void, always reacting and never acting.

But perhaps the greatest of these sins is convincing ourselves that posting is a form of political activism, when it is at best a coping mechanism—an individualist solution to problems that can only be solved by collective action. This, says Cross, is the primary way tech platforms atomize and alienate us, creating “a solipsism that says you are the main protagonist in a sea of NPCs.”

In the days since the inauguration, I’ve watched people on Bluesky and Instagram fall into these same old traps. My timeline is full of reactive hot takes and gotchas by people who still seem to think they can quote-dunk their way out of fascism—or who know they can’t, but simply can’t resist taking the bait. The media is more than willing to work up their appetites. Legacy news outlets cynically chase clicks (and ad dollars) by disseminating whatever sensational nonsense those in power are spewing.

This in turn fuels yet another round of online outrage, edgy takes, and screenshots exposing the “hypocrisy” of people who never cared about being seen as hypocrites, because that’s not the point. Even violent fantasies about putting billionaires to the guillotine are rendered inept in these online spaces—just another pressure release valve to harmlessly dissipate our rage instead of compelling ourselves to organize and act.

This is the opposite of what media, social or otherwise, is supposed to do. Of course it’s important to stay informed, and journalists can still provide the valuable information we need to take action. But this process has been short-circuited by tech platforms and a media environment built around seeking reaction for its own sake.

“For most people, social media gives you this sense that unless you care about everything, you care about nothing. You must try to swallow the world while it’s on fire,” said Cross. “But we didn’t evolve to be able to absorb this much info. It makes you devalue the work you can do in your community.”

It’s not that social media is fundamentally evil or bereft of any good qualities. Some of my best post-Twitter moments have been spent goofing around with mutuals on Bluesky, or waxing romantic about the joys of human creativity and art-making in an increasingly AI-infested world. But when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

The greatest thing that social media ever did for humanity was in its ability to allow all of us to talk to each other in an open platform.

Those private corporate platforms have slowly been eroded and controlled to only waste our time and designed to keep us all angry, afraid, anxious and confused.

Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another. It doesn't matter what kind of platform we have or can create, as long as it is decentralized and controlled by people, everyone will always find value in it because it allows us to talk to one another. The greatest thing I've ever found in taking part in the fediverse was in connecting to like minded people who want to talk about the important issues of the day without all the distractions of advertising and without having having to give up my privacy or security and have my identity sold to the highest bidder.

[-] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

I love mastodon because its actual people I'm following, so I can see whats happening in their lives, in contrast to twitter, which just showed me constant outrage bait and shitposts.

[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

While I like to agree with that vision of decentralized social media, even here on lemmy we have our own pitfalls. Echo chambers are unchecked and defederation (even justified) happens.

I don't assume everyone here is a real person. There was a article recently that AI was training "persuasiveness" using reddit subreddits. I have to believe a similar trial exists on the fediverse least I be caught off guard.

Plus, there are a lot of folks here (it seems like a majority sometimes in my personal experience) that are quick to advocate violence/sabotage in lieu of negotiation and debate. That reaks of puppeteering; there can't be that many arseholes here, right?

I know I have some strong biases that lean towards peace, and I'm confused sometimes why a comment of mine in the fediverse gathers double digit upvotes steadily only to plummet to the negatives overnight. I get old reddit botnet vibes on some topics.

I suppose I want to like lemmy, the freedom, these communities, but it is still polarizing and influenceable by [insert tech/political/financial interests]. I don't trust this enough to recommend to friends and family, but my presence here makes it a fraction more what I want to be.

Plus, there are a lot of folks here (it seems like a majority sometimes in my personal experience) that are quick to advocate violence/sabotage in lieu of negotiation and debate. That reeks of puppeteering; there can’t be that many arseholes here, right?

That's because there are a lot of marginlized folks here - gay, trans, autistic, linux users - who have spent decades disucssing politely and negotiating.

Problem is the people throwing Nazi salutes and writing all these executive orders have, quite clearly, said they want us all either dead or in camps.

Now I wouldn't dream of speaking for everyone else, but I'm certainly not going to be attempting to politely debate myself out of a one-way train ride, if it comes to that.

So, yeah, while I don't encourage violence for the sake of violence, the neoliberal 'oh dear we must all be very polite at all times and let rationality solve all our issues!' is dead and worthless.

I've taken classes for and armed myself, and I have zero qualms with defending myself and friends and family by any means necessary if it comes down to a situation where it's us-or-them, regardless of who 'them' is.

If you told me even five years ago that I'd be carrying a gun and be fully prepared to use deadly force to defend myself I'd have called you goofy, and if you told me that I'd be willing to use it against agents of the state if they came after me, I'd think you have lost your damn mind.

But, well, it's been a long 5 years, and frankly, IMO, the rule of law and the trust in any governmental institutions have been eroded into nothing.

[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Amazing take, no notes. I've done my due diligence, I've voted, I've canvassed for campaigns, I've donated to the right people.

I will NOT be debating with fascists or agitators while my friends and family members get taken away for being trans or the wrong shade of brown (or a Linux user lol). Someone in a more privileged position than me can.

I used that time to get my carry license instead.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Hahahaha you said linux users in the same breath of marginalized folk.

The cloud is linux. I don't think social media is where we're marginalized.

I agree with everything else you've said.

https://socialistra.org

That was a joke. And besides, only certain distributions count anyways. Keep an eye out for our Slackware brothers, they need our help and support in these times.

[-] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

allow all of us to talk to each other

I was doing that just fine 30/40 years ago with BBS, newsgroups, and later with forums such as Lemmy. Social media put a name or a face on people, and was combined with the regular "eternal septembers," but it didn't bring anything useful to the conversation IMHO.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

It did break down the barriers for those less technical by bringing the conversation to a web browser that was certainly more accessible as opposed to a terminal, for better or worse. It's not far off from the fediverse in that it does take some technical understanding to navigate, which does create a sort of barrier. Now, whether that is good or bad is a subject of debate, and I'm inclined to agree that the more accessible a platform is, the more watered down the conversations become.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

It did break down the barriers for those less technical by bringing the conversation to a web browser that was certainly more accessible as opposed to a terminal, for better or worse.

I beg your pardon, but what about web forums? I don't think anything technical was required with those.

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

They were good, but is there good forum platforms nowadays that are mobile friendly, have apps etc.?

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

WDYM mobile-friendly? There are plenty of engines, I suppose some have adaptive design.

Anyway, I remember browsing websites of that time using Sony PSP default browser. This was certainly harder than anything you get today. Still bearable enough.

Just opened one forum made with Invision Power Board, it is of course not adaptive, but I don't need endless scroll on a forum. Pretty usable with, well, zoom in, zoom out, tap. All that.

WDYM have apps? You have a web browser. It's intended to visit websites. I would understand if those apps would provide any functionality outside of that of a website. Maybe putting website bookmarks on the home screen would be a good user-friendly feature for Android though. Those could even use RSS to indicate something. Maybe those should be just RSS indicators even.

If you mean that you don't want web, just something like Usenet - I have no answer except Usenet itself. Freenet (Locutus) seems to have a winter depression, but I haven't visited their Matrix channel lately.

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

What I mean is that there’s a whole different world of how you make an app usable on a mobile phone with portrait screen and a website that’s displayed on a big screen. Many remaining forums I’ve seen from the past were built for a different time, with outdated designs and no good usability on a vertical-based screen.

Now, I’ve seen something line the Swift and Rust forums that do look good on mobile, simple and aesthetically pleasing.

About apps, they’re not necessary indeed, but for many services it’s an assurance that the usability was thought for that environment. For example, the only reason I do enjoy browsing Lemmy is because of the Voyager app that resemble the defunct Apollo for Reddit and copied all the good usability of it for iOS. If it wasn’t for the apps people built for Lemmy, I’d probably not have much drive to come back to it often.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

I know what hobby project I'd want to lift, but I also know that I struggle with much simpler undertakings - like, for example, cooking something normal more than twice a week.

[-] fuzzy_ad@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another.

Unless the mods remove your posts.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

Then start your own server and post whatever you want.

[-] fuzzy_ad@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Then there's nothing unique about open and decentralized social media.

The technology where I could "start my own server" has always existed.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

Right, but getting people to actually know it exists is the problem. That's why federated decentralized media is a good thing.

[-] fuzzy_ad@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Isn't federation just another version of moderation?

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

No. It's how different instances share content with one another.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I can't upvote this strongly enough. Social media is doing everything in the establishment's favor - especially ingraining the habit of glancing at a news item and making an instant value judgement with minimal thought before scrolling along to the next item. It's not just that endless scrolling and venting take time away from real action, it's the encouragement of superficial thinking. People who get all their info from memes are solid gold to con men like Trump who depend on triggering simplistic kneejerk conclusions. They got conservatives to worship him by not thinking too much, and they can do the same to liberals.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

They have done the same to liberals, just in a different way. Why do the harder thing when the easier thing is just as good? Most liberals already believe bullshit just as convenient for Trump.

How you support or not support an idea is not less important than what is that idea.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.

Not enough ammo...

They have the popular vote, most gun nuts are right wing. And they have the military, most of which voted trump. Are there even enough people who are left of center to fight against that?

literally just don't doomscroll, go read my recent post over in eudaimonia.

You literally just don't have to do it lmao.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

that requires effort to move away from platforms that force you to doomscroll with their algorithm. For many people that is very strong chain. If you relinquish your mind its not easy to even see the reason to take it back on your own. If you dont believe me, go tell someone who uses facebook a lot to stop using it, see what they reply.

it requires effort for sure, but even if you don't want to permanently do it, just spend like a week, without using tiktok or something.

It's worth it. At least let yourself understand both worlds fully.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago

the problem with this is that A LOT of people needs to do it. Personally I dont have any problems with trying to maintain my sanity by not reading about awful things or by treating tiktok like the plague it is. But so many are basically addicts and dont even want to hear anything about changing what they do or just plain dont care what you say to them.

the problem with this is that A LOT of people needs to do it.

yeah, and they should, it's worth the time investment, or in this case, time gain.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes it is, but how to make them understand it is

[-] Rooty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

The revoltion will not be televised - Gill Scott Heron

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Even people agreeing with this are wary of any revolution which is not in some way being televised. And more trusting to television than to what they can see with their own eyes.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 3 weeks ago

TLDR - We need more Luigis against the techbros

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Luigi 1 didn't accomplish anything, though.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago
[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm talking about a guy who made no impact on a single company much less an industry and then went to jail awaiting prison, throwing away all of his rich boy ivy league education, because people like YOU keep bringing him up.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

He traded his life for another. He showed the world that it’s possible. And “we” outnumber “them”. Making people realize that is an achievement in itself.

Would you say people like Rosa Parks “didn’t accomplish anything”?

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

"They" actually won the recent election meaning "they" are actually the majority. The only way for "us" to accomplish anything other than constant bloodshed and a near 50/50 civil war scenario is to convince a bunch of "them" to change the system with "us".

We're not fighting a dozen people like Brian Thompson, we're fighting tens of millions of idiots who empower them.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

First, people supporting Trump are not the majority by any metric. They are 49.8% of the people who voted, which is 31,8% of the eligible voters and 23,3% of the total us population. You could argue that the majority of people “don’t hate” Trump, and while that’s still a scary metric, it’s not the point that I wanted to make.

“They” aren’t Republicans or Trump supporters, they’re wealth-hoarding billionaires that actively make people’s lives worse. As it has already been said, support for Luigi is pretty much bipartisan. Nearly everyone hates those people, and even plenty of people who voted Trump did it because they see him as “one of the people” (for some godforsaken reason). They’re propagandized into voting Republican through all the culture war, misinformation and fear mongering, but when people like Brian Thompson die, no one is actually sad and a lot actually celebrate.

Trump does indeed have a personality cult, but from what I’ve gathered the great majority of people voting him aren’t part of that and they don’t actually like him, it’s just that they hate “the gays”, “the libs”, or “the immigrants” more.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

But when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.

No shit, so when I'd say this in year 2013, it wasn't worthless nerd screeching aimed at satisfying my hunger for attention which I don't get because I'm a worthless nerd and can't accept the new world where tech helps, you know, normal socialized people, not like me, to fix every problem with their mutual likes and reposts and flashmobs.

Seems damn clear that radio reproductors on German streets didn't help against Nazism.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

I would argue that journalism is necessary, just not sufficient, for moving into the future.

Ironically this is true for every one of the myriad sides in this conflict.

I recall a sci-fi book from CS Lewis... anyway my point is that this was well known after WWII, and probably often had to be rediscovered throughout history. Strong societies produce weak children and so on. We've had our Yin, now time for the karmic Yang to brutalize us for being so extremely negligent.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe it's better to refrain from growing strong men, though, just average will do, with average children, not weak.

ADD:

Also from LOTR, a smart thing in the same direction, I think one can find most of Tao Te Ching and Art of War rephrased in LOTR.

"Other evils there are that may come; for Sauron is himself but a servant or emissary. Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule"

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though? Anyway, even if humanity itself were to not change, the world around us still does. Perhaps one day aliens will show up, assuming that climate change doesn't kill us all in the moderate term future. Just like all those species of animals and plants and such that we've driven extinct: they lasted so long, but then could not survive us.

So I would argue that we always should remain strong... it's just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

But, Stoicism, yeah - it's literally all that we can do, so let's do that.:-)

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’m not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though?

Not getting excited with global solutions and utopias. At some point in my 12-15 I considered libertarianism a far wiser ideology than the rest due to this, but then noticed how there are libertarian utopias emerging for all tastes. Panarchy (that's not yet a thing), agorism (that to some extent is, with cryptocurrencies and internet connectivity) and maybe something else.

Any wise construct stops being wise if you rely on it too much.

So people thinking "correctly" are not those you want to have, people familiar with good things, but not invested too much, are.

If you build a construct (say, in a game like Civilization) with -7 modifier to fascism, then the humanity will regulate to that and negate the modifier. Then your construct crumbles, and the humanity gets +7 to fascism. Was it really a good idea in the first place then?

So I would argue that we always should remain strong… it’s just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

And that means that trying to remain strong we'll waste effort in all directions instead of having some when needed.

But, Stoicism, yeah - it’s literally all that we can do, so let’s do that.:-)

Stoicism is about spending effort where you should and not spending when you shouldn't. It's not pure inaction, it's the way to do less nonsense.

EDIT: Or the biblical example with 7 abundant years and 7 hungry years - imagine taking all the increase in food for granted, many more children being born, many more slaves brought in, expecting to be able to pay many more debts perhaps, thus taking more, and then during hungry years not only the difference in population dying, but more (because those who die from hunger still consume food before it, those who are used to eating more need more to survive, some debt payments can't be postponed, and a weaker state spends more resources to defend its borders).

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

Humans seem not to be great planners - we are too short-sighted and selfish, but like in a bad way where we first lie to ourselves, and then also to one another.

This allows us to get out of local minima as we spread to new areas, but that same trait seems equally likely to lead to our extinction when all areas have been found and we need rather to switch to a more stablilzed society, yet won't bc we don't feel like doing so.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Such situations would regularly arise till early XX century and even now, so, eh, humanity tries everything. I wouldn't assume I know a solution.

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