its to late, its over, to prevent catastrophe.

its not to late to ensure we have a minimal catastrophe instead of a maximal catastrophe.

Great but I already do as much as I personally can handle. Would be great if society at large, e.g. laws, regulations, and big corps, could get on the same level.

There’s a clear difference between being in big trouble and being completely screwed. If we can avoid the extinction of humanity and go with catastrophic disasters and famine that eradicates vast majority of the population, we should totally do it.

Ideally, we would avoid all that, and go back to the good old days. Every small step towards that goal is worth it, although taking longer steps is highly encouraged.

The post is right, but only on the paper, and not really in a world that is progressively taken over by ecocidal autocrats whose program is to kill every bit of efforts in climate fight, so even the smallest progress we made will soon be distant memories and fighting will be increasingly dangerous and difficult and, ultimately, virtually impossible. And the locked-in catastrophes are now sufficient to collapse our already fragilized geopolitical context.

People saying it's "not too late" are systematically downplaying the current political context, wich make their message pretty unconsistent.

I was going to present a partial rebuttal invoking politics but then I saw that this is !upliftingnews@lemmy.world.

Another positive is that we humans are highly adaptive. We’re already making a lot of changes towards renewables and improving the efficiency and reliability of our electric grids and other large infrastructure. Climate change definitely brings a ton of challenges with it (and some of the changes have already taken place) but I think it also gives us new opportunities such as longer growing seasons up North.

i saw a video on youtube, by someone named sabine said everyone gave up on climate action, yea they gave up like years ago, the only miracle was when lockdown happened, and global co2 fell very fast and nature quickly reclaimed certain areas. like they pretended to care, but never did anything to stop it. even in research i heard that you cant frame climate change was leaning towards caused by "people" or your research wont get funded, thats how bad funding grant sis for research for some universities.

Ok, got it. No burning at the stake. We'll use guillotines.👍

It's never too late if you seriously consider all your options Ie:

Full nuclear energy development with SMRs

Fusion reactors research

Full transition to electric/hydrogen vehicles

Economic sanctions to countries with grid power coming from carbon/ non renewable resources above a certain percentage

Full development of lunar/cis lunar infrastructure/space

Large scale deployment of solar mirror arrays designed to reflect incoming sunlight, built using lunar regolith as raw materials source

Blowing an 88 megatons hydrogen bomb under the sea, below 8 to 12 Km under the ocean floor surface to trigger about 30 years of carbon capture in a second

You know, easy stuff

And so on

Kind of feels like in 20-30 years time we'll be claiming its worth fighting for a climate that doesn't immediately kill us if we go outside for 20 minutes instead of 15.

Or to put it another way, do these scientists not see there's a difference between living and surviving?

A bit sad how pessimistic everyone is. Renewables are currently becoming the most economic way to produce electricity and even states that do not care about the environment are investing in it. EVs are making progress as well. And while it is true that a lot of damage has already been done and we will face the consequences, I also feel that decarbonization is inevitable even from a economic perspective at this point. The speed at which this happens is variable though and determines how many people will die, this is why it is important to not be pessimistic and hopeless but to try steering things in the right direction.

I think this message has good and bad uses. As a way to stop people from being doomers and not taking any action? Great. But I’ve also seen this kind of argument be used to justify an incrementalist approach to an issue that we absolutely cannot afford to go slow on or half ass. “Something is better than nothing” isn’t good enough. If we take 1 step forward and 2 steps back we’re going to lose. And that’s if the problem was linear. The fact that feedback loops accelerate the problem means we lose more and more ground the longer we wait to rip the bandaid off.

If the best allowable solution is to keep electing liberals who take money from capitalists to promote symbolic progress or “market based solutions” while continuing to approve new fossil fuel projects, then we really are doomed.

Indeed, read the Exxon-Mobil report from the late 1970's and early 80's. They hit the nail on the head in regard to global warming. Somebody posted it on Lemmy.

Seriously, if there's one thing I don't miss from reddit (I tell a lie, there's dozens of things I don't miss from Reddit) it's the "Actually we're too far gone, and everyone's going to die in seven days because none of you jokers will buy a Tesla!~" nonsense

Funfact: Conspiracy Bullshit in the other direction is still Conspiracy Bullshit

Hmm

We couldn't get people to wear a mask or get a shot when a disease was killing millions in the open.

We definitely can't get people to change their behavior over climate change.