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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 110 points 2 months ago

Valve and I have trust. 20 years of it. They are there, have fair prices, let me play where and when I want, no gotchas, I trust them. Sure tomorrow they could break that trust, but so far they haven't.

Then Amazon, who has continuously ruined my trust. Adding ads to an ad free prime tier, lying about delivery times, getting shittier and cheaper products on their store, and oh yeah, just being an evil company. And they wonder why I never even looked at their store.

[-] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 67 points 2 months ago

And Valve is pushing for Linux support, it might not be a major point for most but for me it is.

[-] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 months ago

It's also a plus for me too.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

It's more than just pushing for support. They have made a lot of windows only games just work on Linux.

They've changed it from "need to release and support Linux" to "zero effort other than not actively fuck up the compatibility layer". In user land, it's the same thing. For developers it's a vast difference.

[-] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 11 points 2 months ago

More than that, they don’t lock it down to apps coming from Steam. In a Steam Deck, you can get the app from anywhere, even pirating, if you wish, and it works with Proton.

And the Steam Deck runs games that didn’t have to come from Steam.

Valve is legitimately doing things for the customer, even if they aren’t always a customer of Valve.

[-] bier@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

For me it's the reason I started playing games again. Have been using Linux forever, didn't wanted a dual boot etc. So when games started to work on Linux I stared to buy and play more and more.

Although recently it has mostly been openRTC without steam.

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[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 78 points 2 months ago

Have they tried being trustworthy, adding value, and not fucking over customers?

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago

But we tried everything BUT that.

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

To disrupt stream, you’d need to be better than Steam. Also, what am I gonna do with my existing 1000 games in steam? I DON’T WANT 5 GAME MANAGERS.

All these companies think people want 10 streaming services, 5 steams, 7 spotifys. WE DONT. We just want 1 that does everything we want.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 10 points 2 months ago

I want five game managers.

Maybe a sixth to manage those.

Competition in the PC market is a good thing. Otherwise it's just another locked down console.

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

I know that today in most English-speaking countries, competition is worshipped as an all-powerful god that solves every problem. But the reality is that competition is often detrimental to a lot of stakeholders in an industry. Competition optimizes for specific parameters in a downward spiral- that's why every streaming service sucks, and is worse than Netflix was 10 years ago.

What would you hope to get out of a Steam competitor? I will guess that you are talking about price pressure. But Steam does not set the prices- publishers do. That's why the same game is $69.99 whether you get it on Steam, the PlayStation Network, Xbox store, Epic Games Store, or buying physical copies from Amazon, Wal-Mart, Target, or wherever else. In that way you could argue Steam already has tons of effective competition putting pressure on prices, just outside of the specific PC digital storefront space.

So maybe if Valve had more competition, Steam might be forced to reduce their fees to publishers, but there's no reason to believe that cost savings would be passed on to consumers.

If anything, having competition just repeats the fixed costs, or in other words reduces the population of users that fixed costs are spread over, driving up the total and per-unit costs of the whole system.

Now I certainly am not saying anything so dumb as "In GabeN we trust" or "I have faith in Valve to conduct business fairly as a monopoly in the long-term". But the solution is regulation, not competition.

The other notable place monopolies fail is servicing less profitable populations. Valve has so far done the opposite. Epic has outright refused to support Linux, while Valve has made their own free gaming Linux distro, with tons of work put into Proton for free to ensure compatibility. VR is a tiny niche, but Valve still put out one of the best VR systems kn the market. The "handheld" PC market was incredibly niche, but Valve released the Steam Deck and I would guess sold an order of magnitude or two more units than anything before or since in that space. I don't really see any underserved niches asking for a competitor.

[-] notabot@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

The problem with a lack of competition is you end up in a "my way or the highway" scenario, both for the customers and suppliers, with the distributor having, functionally, complete control over who gets to sell what to who, and who gets to buy what. So you really are saying "In GabeN we trust" and "I have faith in Valve to conduct business fairly as a monopoly in the long-term" as you have no other option.

I'd say you're partially correct when you say regulation is the amswer, but with only a single entity, or even just a small number, in the field regulatory capture becomes a real risk. This can be overcone either by a legeslative with principals and a backbone (good luck, especially considering that needs to be maintained in perpetuity) or by having enough entities with different goals that no one of them can't dominate.

Ultimately you need a combination of robust regulation and enough competition that there is presure for them to play fair.

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[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I’m not saying competition is bad, but as a consumer, managing a pile of clients sucks.

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I'll say it: competition can be bad sometimes. If Valve ever starts to conduct business unethically, the solution will be government regulation, not competition.

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[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Or just let people download installers like GOG does, that way you don't need to make and maintain a game manager (which GOG does anyway, for some reason).

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[-] Maestro@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

I really hate it when I launch a game from Steam and another launcher pops up (looking at you, Funcom)

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Funcom, Ubisoft, EA, SquEnix...

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[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I've embraced it, I use playnite to launch all my games. Regardless of which platform they are on

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[-] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org 31 points 2 months ago

Did they try removing DRM and selling you a product instead of an option on a subscription service?

[-] moody@lemmings.world 11 points 2 months ago

Amazon specifically is known for deleting and/or disabling libraries without justification and without recourse for the victim. It's always a possibility with Steam as well, but I'm not aware of it happening (though I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it has)

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

RIP Comixology. I can access lower-quality versions of stuff I bought on kindle but the high quality stuff I paid for is gone.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

Why would they? it hasn't helped gog and valve don't do that either.

[-] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 months ago

It hasn't helped GOG? News to me.

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[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago

Maybe they should have just made a really great service that people would love?

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago

I mean, he agrees with you:

We needed to build something dramatically better, but we failed to do so. And we needed to validate our assumptions about our customers before starting to build. But we never really did that either.

I can't recommend enough actually reading the stuff people link in social media.

[-] MurrayL@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

But if I have to actually read the article then what is the headline for?? /s

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

I like prime gaming, sure I haven't actually bought anything but Amazon has given me a decent gog library and an ok Amazon games one.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago

No they haven't because not once did I ever consider buying a game from their service. Mainly because I don't know about it.

[-] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Maybe try not being Amazon first?

[-] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

All they gotta do is copy steam features 1:1 and clean up the ui a bit. I'm not married to steam but no one wanna copy all their features let alone improve it.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

So many of their most beloved features are crazily dev intensive to maintain, and critically they're not static. Amazon never really updates their consumer interfaces, steam is constantly adding new features and reworking their old ones across all their UX. Its just not economically feasible to pop in and replace them if you're a publicly traded company, the shareholders would look at the maintenance costs alone and faint

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

They can't possibly be dev intensive to maintain, given what we know about how many devs Valve has.

They are VERY expensive and difficult to make, though, particularly if you don't already own the PC platform. It's not that every competitor wouldn't like to match their feature set, it's that Steam has had two decades of a head start and is a whole software company devoted entirely to this, as opposed to trying to simultaneously... you know, make games and stuff.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Steam Multiplayer, VAC and Steam Wallet integration are all extremely dev intensive examples, I'm not sure conflating team size with dev intensity is a great way to look at it since that's not generally how software development works. (Unless you've got client accounts or deep customization, ofc)

Absolutely no argument about the rest, though. Steam built the entire concept of the market it dominates, and now people are trying to build their own little versions without any of the 20 years of novelty in even just defining the medium that valve has done.

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

Fighting Steam as it stands now is like trying to fight an uphill battle on an 80° incline with ice covering the whole hill. It's possible, but I doubt we'll see anyone able to dethrone Steam so long as Valve keeps their principles and morals about not absolutely enshittifying everything to death on their end.

[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

I've never even heard of prime gaming, if they wanted to disrupt steam they should have tried harder.

Regardless, good, fuck Amazon I'm glad this failed.

[-] vane@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Maybe it's because they don't have VP of Steam at Valve ?

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

LMFAO, I love when someone says they tried everything when it's so blatantly obvious they didn't really try anything.

Both Epic and Amazon seemed to believe that if you gave out enough free games then Steam would just... Disappear? Really really dumb.

Neither company has invested any time into making their launcher any good. They haven't invested any time into making their ecosystem feature rich like Steam. They have just given away a bunch of games and had sales and hoped that magic would take care of the rest.

Valve doesn't even have to try to beat the competition when the competition doesn't put any effort in.

GoG Galaxy is the only decent alternative launcher I've used and it's being maintained (seemingly) by one guy who only works one day a year. It's not as good as Steam by a long shot, but far far better than any of the launchers that come from companies WAY WAY bigger and wealthier. Even the itch.io launcher is better!!!

Blizzard, Amazon, Epic, EA, Ubisoft, and Rockstar (and more) all have their own launchers and not a single one is decent or necessary. Why make such an inferior product when Steam already exists?

[-] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

I forgot they even existed.

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