Great! Leave the US and come prosper in Canada.
Do not listen to him! Europe! Come to Europe! Great Benefits, long holidays and you can travel between multiple countries and temperature-zones. When staying in canada, you can only travel back to the US or take a plane to cross either one of the two biggest oceans to get anywhere. In Europe you can spend a decade without running out of places to go. Also: We love your brain. Please come to Europe!
Don't listen to him!!! We'll pay you more 😉
Just make Canada part of EU, then you don't have to choose!
Plus they've got stupid plugs
Microbiologist here, we're working on it!
Does Europe need IT workers? Software engineers?
Problem is with the next generation of scientists. They can’t leave the country before they’ve made it.
Ive been telling my university phd friends to not make any plans to go to the US. They said i was overreacting but changed plans anyways. Glad they didnt go.
So anyone has a good suggestion for countries that accept people with PhDs are are nice to different race of people (I have a mixed family). Lots of countries are starting to lean right so I'm a bit scared moving somewhere where I don't understand the native language since I saw how immigrants in US (and even people in their home country) like trump because they don't get the whole picture and only know news through multiple transfers and biases.
Even if the current administration goes back to what it was I feel like the attack on science and overall direction of the people's thoughts aren't going to change overnight and it might be hard living as a scientist.
Academia seems to have largely settled on English. Most graduate programs I have heard of are taught in English even if it's not an official language of the host country.
CERN was designed to stop the brain drain to the US after WWII. Hopefully Europe (the world) realizes the opportunity in front of them.
Yeah, I have been hoping some countries would make lax immigration rules to capitalize on this situation. I know a lot of academics thinking of leaving, it's just a bit hard with a family compared to moving alone.
If your role allows remote work this may be an option: https://consnewyork.esteri.it/en/servizi-consolari-e-visti/servizi-per-il-cittadino-straniero/visti/visas-to-enter-italy/digital-nomad-remote-worker-visa/
Once living in a place it's a lot easier to find work, but that may be less true for academics who commonly move for work anyways.
Thank you. This seems useful. Unfortunately I'm just finishing up my PhD, so I probably won't qualify. Might have to search postdoc positions for now
Swiss. Though it needs a while until you can get a pass.
A B permit was easy to get. You need a job and that's pretty much it. After 5 years you can apply for a C permit. You can try to become a citizen after ten years but that's a different beast. I have nine years and three months to go. I played a game of DND with a Swiss, a Russian and an Argentinian(?) here. My kid goes to school with someone whose parents are brazilian and dutch who met in Australia. So, it's definitely possible.
Norway is good if you get a job before moving. The weather, people, food and welcome is a bit cold, but life is good.
Food is cold?
At least the lunch, warm cantine food at work is unfortunately not as common here as in many other places.
Yeah, I've been thinking Norway and Netherlands/Finland as good option if we have to do Europe. I don't think the immigration policy is that open in those countries though. Do you have any knowledge about that?
I don't know the details, but if you get hired for a position here while living abroad, you can get a work visa as skilled labour. That can later be converted to permanent residence after living here for some number of years and passing some language and/or culture test (I think). I know several people who have moved here either through work or university, including from the US. Best of luck no matter where you end up.
Ever been to Canada?
I'm worried about Canada as well because of the proximity. And there is a bit of brown hate going on there as well. It would have been nice options otherwise for ease of move/visa.
Well, you could try Ireland and have the ability to move elsewhere in the EU (such as Spain or Portugal) if things don’t work out there…. Start off with a different culture but the same language, and tackle language issues after the fact?
In academia, I would guess most Europeans consider race a social construct and not a lens through which one judges other people. Yes, we’re all leaning more and more right, unfortunately, but race is seldom a major part of what makes someone an Other. (But I do know it can be, my daughter-in-law is from Uganda). Outside academia… I would hope most Europeans are more informed than most trumpists.
Scotland/Ireland doesn’t seem to be shifting right! Not like elsewhere anyway.
We have a weird dynamic in Glasgow where even our football hooligans are pro-Palestine and even showed up anti-blm marches (and chased them away).
Several unis here, lots of Serbians, Italians, Spaniards in the faculty and is more diverse than many of the English towns that rioted.
No riots here, we were doing this instead.
Pay will probably be shite comparatively and the weather is miserable but can’t fault it otherwise
Wow, that very randomly and suddenly reminds me that in Leiden, NL, they have a Bio-Science Park that is building mega lab after mega lab(Covid really shifted this bio park into sixth gear), with some plots still left to fill, right next to 2 highways! Schiphol is just a train stop away! If the price of living and housing won't deter you, nothing will!
Bonus fact: I used to jam riiiiiight there in the top right appartement of the block that's starts lowest in the picture with my band Karateklit. Not anymore, we have a new place :)
Hey remember the brain drain US caused Canada for the past few decades? Would be nice to get some back
Scientists usually are the smart people. And they are potentially the more mobile employees. Of course they will notice when the ship is sinking...
The title doesn't need the "of scientists" part.
Canada needs to recognise this opportunity and invest in science and healthcare. Relatedly, Canada needs to vote out the Conservatives provincially and federally.
Bring on the brain drain. Death to America.
According to how some here treat russian people these scientists shouldn't be welcomed anywhere since the majority of americans voted for trump.
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