Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK Amid Government Backdoor Demands : privacy

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

This is an indicator that every other company staying in the UK is complying with backdoor demands.

[-] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Can governments stop micromanaging things they don’t understand? All they will achieve is inconvenience for people. Anybody who can potentially be targeted such as journalists, criminals, politicians know their attack vector. It’s not 90s when nobody knew shit about computers. Just encrypt on device and upload anywhere. No government will be able to decrypt as long as you are using robust algorithm.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago

Reminder that you don’t need to use iCloud backup; local backups still work fine and are encrypted.

[-] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 6 points 20 hours ago

I don’t think it’s just the backups. Apple’s site says it’s things “such as” wallet, notes, photos, documents, bookmarks, reminders, voice memos, shortcuts, messages backup, and device backup. The such as seems to imply there’s more.

[-] Supernova1051@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

but I thought apple were the good guys /s

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

tbh if the government demanded fediverse servers do this then they'll probably comply as well, I really don't think this is apple's fault as much as i hate them and every similar tech megacorps

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Bur what about servers that are not based in the UK? They are not officiallly doing business there, they just happen to be accessible from there. And with Fediverse, you can specifically choose a server that suits your jurisdiction needs.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

that just depends on how comfortable the instance owner is, if i was hosting I'd ip block the UK

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

There's already a few websites that block the uk (lemmy.zip is a good example, lobste.rs plans to block the uk)

[-] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 4 hours ago

I am IP-blocked by a lot of things. At some point a large percentage of population just gets used to the fact that VPNs/proxies are now just a mandatory part of the internet usage.

[-] Undertaker@feddit.org 1 points 23 hours ago

I don't think so

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I kind of think going no encryption is arguably better than agreeing to a backdoor, since it should make it clear to consumers that they can’t trust it as safe and should probably use an alternative that would be more secure. I don’t know how many trustworthy alternatives really exist on iOS, though, not least because Apple has allegedly used their position to discourage competitors to iCloud.

[+] Geodad@lemm.ee -18 points 1 day ago

A better title would be “Apple helps the US government bypass the 4th amendment”.

[-] GiveOver@feddit.uk 28 points 1 day ago

Yeah we don't have enough American news, we should start reframing other countries' news into how it affects America

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee -2 points 18 hours ago

It affects certain people from America. I have a relative who is directly affected by this.

[-] Steve@communick.news 25 points 1 day ago

This is in the UK.
Not the US.

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

The UK is part of 5 Eyes. They swap info on citizens among members. No warrants, no constitutional protections. All they have to do is ask MI5 for info on Americans with dual citizenship.

[-] Steve@communick.news 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

That stretch of logic sounds an awful lot, like a post-hoc justification after learning it wasn't about the US. But ok

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

One of my in-laws has dual England/US citizenship. They divide their time between the two countries. It directly effects them.

[-] Steve@communick.news 2 points 13 hours ago

I don't doubt that. But its still a large stretch, to think the UK passed a law applying to all UK citizens, specifically to give the US access to a few thousand dual citizens.

I'm thinking LoudWaterHombre was right. You simply have an extremely US centric mindset.

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee -1 points 12 hours ago

Apple is a US based company. For them to just roll over sets a bad precedent, especially for our fascists who are now running the show here.

What’s to stop the US government from going after the same services here? What’s about Tor or VPN services?

The authoritarians will smell blood in the water after this. Since the big player just gave up, who will stand in their way?

[-] Steve@communick.news 3 points 6 hours ago

Now you're moving the goal post, and pointing to a slippery slope, still trying to justify your original misunderstanding. It's alright to be wrong sometimes.

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee -1 points 3 hours ago

I hope I am wrong, but we’re now essentially being run by an unelected oligarch. Authoritarian regimes like the US will see it and demand the same for here.

[-] Steve@communick.news 1 points 2 hours ago

Total non sequitur. You're way off topic now.

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

I don’t know. Having a family member with dual citizenship gives me a good comparison between the US and the UK. Both of our governments are getting very Orwellian.

[-] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago

No no no, he's just american and thinks the universe centers around the US

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

No, the only thing I wish would center around the US is an asteroid. I absolutely hate it here, but I don’t have the means to leave.

[-] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago

Hey Buddy, this article is about UK and you argue for it to be about the US. Clearly the UK did not pass a law to bend over for your orange overlord.

This whole discussion is bonkers.

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 0 points 3 hours ago

My government is now basically a fascist regime. Musk is going to see this and demand that Apple do the same.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 1 day ago

Does UK even have 4th am tho

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

No, but they’re part of 5 Eyes. The US government can ask MI5 to spy on US citizens, which gets around 4th amendment protections.

This will allow them to spy on any US citizens with dual citizenship.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 1 day ago

Us citizen presumably still has access to encryption feature tho

[-] Geodad@lemm.ee 0 points 19 hours ago

Not if they are in the UK? Idk, that’s probably a weird edge case, but unless we’re all free, nobody is.

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