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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 143 points 2 weeks ago

I’ve been voting. Doesn’t seem to work.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago

It only works in aggregate. Like how a drop of water won't quench anyone's thirst, but a 20 gallon barrel generally will.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 93 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is why I hate group projects

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago

One person puts in all the work

Five people don't

Everyone fails

:) :) :) :) :)

(please kill me)

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

One thing I learned early in my academic career was that if I wanted a good grade on a group project it was easier to just do everything myself.

The sooner I can fuck off to the middle of nowhere and not deal with any of you anymore the better.

[-] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

College in a nutshell. Fuck you steve, thanks for phoning in your part of the final.

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[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

Have you tried the second amendment?

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 73 points 2 weeks ago

making it difficult to vote is a feature not a bug.

The question isn't why are they not doing anything but why didn't they do anything when they had the chance.

[-] Caffeinated_Sloth@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

Obama had the house and senate his first term and all we got was shitty healthcare and drone bombing wedding receptions. We need a new opposition party.

[-] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Oh and the Dodd-Frank act regulating Wallstreet. And saving the economy from the massive financial crash with the Recovery Act. And an act that extended how long after being fired someone can file for unemployment. And new tax legislation that had tax increases to help pay for the investment in the economy with the recovery act. And around 50 other pieces of legislation.

Plus the "shitty health care" you mentioned mandated insurance companies have to cover people with pre-existing conditions giving insurance to tens of millions of people. And extended Medicaid to tens of millions of people providing relatively cheap medical care by comparison to before. Free? No. But many went from having bills of multiple hundreds a month to just 50. Again, perfect? No. But a massive fucking improvement.

All that in the 2 years he had both houses. Not his entire first term. Much of it was incredibly influential even if not perfect. To say we got nothing out of it is misrepresenting both what we got and what we had before.

Edit: and increasing the minimum wage.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

All that in the 2 years he had both houses

And they had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for a whopping 2 months.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Which is when we got the ACA.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

And that included Manchin and Lieberman. Ugh.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He had a filibuster-proof majority for a handful of weeks, and we got better healthcare than what was already on the table. While it's not great healthcare, it's still better than before.

That included some staunchly conservative Democrats, by the by. Many of whom were ultra "pro-life", which means abortion rights weren't gonna happen.

Additionally, people who mention drone strikes fail to a) recognize the tech was relatively new, but not so new that it was actually affordable to the DOD, and b) each president after has had more drone strikes.

But let's not let facts get in the way of our outage or anything.

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[-] Heyting@lemmy.ml 58 points 2 weeks ago

Political parties are supposed to appeal to voters, not the other way around. Will post this again since people still don’t get it:

Directing the attention towards the voters instead of the democratic party is a deliberate tactic to create division among the working class. The democratic party has way more power than your neighbour who didn’t vote. Getting angry at your neighbour will only alienate them further. It’s a waste of energy.

[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for succinctly expressing exactly how I feel about this.

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago

The modern Democratic party fights harder against its own "base" than they do against the opposing party. People still came out in droves to vote for them despite that but their dedication to complacency in a system that is failing everybody but the rich left enough people behind to tip the scales. The Dems have enabled this and anybody who expects them to save us from it is delusional.

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[-] art@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago

Realistically, it's the Democrats who failed the voting public. Their campaign of "We offer you nothing!", did not seem to drag in very many undecided voters. You and I might be very politically active, but the majority of Americans are not.

You need to give them a reason to go out and vote. A lot of people have very short attention spans, and easily forgot how bad Trump was the first time around and shaming the people for their shortsightedness is not how you win elections.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago

Tens of millions of people voted for the Democrats. Do they not get to complain?

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 34 points 2 weeks ago

Now is exactly the right time to criticize the dems, make them step up their game. Would be better 4 years ago, but here we are.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

One of those things where both

  1. Nonvoters who complain that Democrats aren't doing enough to protect them are exactly the kind of entitled twats who attack what meagre defenses we have against fascism, and then whine (blaming those same defenses they themselves worked to undermine) when fascism attacks them.

AND

  1. Dems who do nothing in this period are inex-fucking-scusable, if predictably adhering to their norms-based civility politics schtick which plays so well with suburban white folk; and Dems in general are only interested in reform insofar as public opinion forces them to support it, and not an inch further.

are true.

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[-] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

fuck it. I voted dem every election and they did fuckall. We got obamacare, whoop deee doo. we have to buy insurance now. fat load of good that did.

Fuck the dems. I'm leaving and voting for some other party, and you should too. campaigning for a third party should start right fucking now, so the dems can't say "oH, ThE TiMe FoR SuPpOrTiNg a ThIrD pArTy IsN't 5 MoNtHs BeFoRe An ElEcTIoN!" Fuck you, you goddamned fake ass left party.

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[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

You can't berate people into voting the way you want. That is the lesson the DNC needs to learn if they actually want to win.

Social media trolls could do to realize that too.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 26 points 2 weeks ago

Second highest voter turn out for a presidential election in US history.

Clearly its the voters fault.....

Also why in the broken nation is the assumption that if more people showed up they would have voted like you? I never got this concept. Please spend more effort being an opposition/resistance and less being poor losers.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 didn't show up to vote for Harris in 2024.

Trump's numbers barely changed at all between the two.

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[-] WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Dems will do anything to not accept responsibility for fumbling 12 years in office since 2000.

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Democrats

Not opposing Trump, because unlike the last 40 years, we learn that a party has to have a super-majority in a government body to stop the opposing party from doing everything they want all the time.

How could non-voters do this.

[-] lutillian@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure we can attribute this inaction to much more than the established Democrats actually stand to personally benefit from these policies. They don't really have a reason to push back because their donors are the same people in most cases (there are a few exceptions) and so many of them have the same level of gerrymandering and name recognition in their districts as the opposition.

This is not a statement that both parties are the same. They demonstratively are not as Democrats won't typically be the ones to enact these policies but they also don't really have a reason to stop them either since things like the tax breaks personally benefit them.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The voting system doesn't have to be this way. There are many far more representative electoral systems we could use over First-past-the-post voting.

Why aren't the democrats doing anything? Because they don't have to. What are you going to do, vote republican? "Vote for us... or else" is not democracy, it is a hostage situation. It is an abusive relationship.

If the democrats supported democracy as much as they say, they would be scrambling to pass electoral reform in blue states. If democrats believed what they say about the republican party, they would not hesitate to open the voting system to 3rd parties. If it's all about preventing republican control, it wouldn't matter who beat the Republicans so long as they are defeated. Who could possibly say no to more then one chance to beat the Republicans?

Here on lemmy and across the internet you should have seen many blue conservatives screaming to the heavens about the spoiler effect and how voting for 3rd parties is a vote for Trump and the republicans. This is the democratic party showing us that, yes, they do in fact understand that the voting system is a issue.

This has happened for longer then ive been alive. So if the issue is understood, and no reform over how we vote gas taken place, then we can easily assume that the democrats prefer this voting system alongside the republicans. The democrats, don't want you to have any options in the voting booth. The democrats want this hostage situation. The democrats prefer trump and the republicans to win over having to actually compete for your vote.

We all understand that the republicans don't support democracy, but now is the time to stop living in denial. The democrats also do not support democracy. They want safe states and the world's easiest campaigns against the worst of us all. Democrats dont want to answer tough questions at debates. They want to put a party hack in front of you and laugh at your lack of an alternative. They will smash that "most important election ever" but 100 trillion times, collect checks from us and call it a day.

Electoral reform is not some impossible dream. We control how we vote at the state level. We dont need to wait for federal reform, it could still happen before the mid terms. So we must all demand the freedom to vote how we want from both the republican and democratic party in the states that continue to use FPTP voting.

Now is the time. No more waiting for the democrats to suddenly grow a backbone. We can choose a better way. We can have a future to look forward to. We can make the world a place people want to live in, at least more people then just the corporations and landlords that lord over us all.

Feel free to hate me bringing this up time and again. Shut me up by passing electoral reform across the country. I know more democracy is the solution to then problems we all face. Yeah it's a long shot. But it's better then having no shot at all.

Videos on Electoral Reform

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

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[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The dems failed to convince enough people to vote for them. The largest share of votes in the last election was for no-one. Your primary job as a political party is to convince people to vote for you. if they can't get people motivated in the face of bare faced fascism then they need to take a serious look at why their policies do not speak to americans.

Very few people who voted for Kamala were voting FOR Kamala... they were voting AGAINST Trump

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago

I'm just gonna leave this here: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

There is evidence to support widespread vote suppression is occurring by "vigilantes" knocking people off the voter registry amongst other tactics

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

A third of the eligible voters didn't vote. If they had, this tiny marginal bullshit wouldn't matter.

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

The results at my last city vote was depressing. We had 20% turn out. Twenty! And we have mail-in by default here

Thankfully the people who did vote voted for the positive changes we need but it's not hard to imagine how easily 20% of the population can be easily swayed

[-] ImWaitingForRetcons@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago

While some people don’t vote out of apathy, others are a target of indirect disenfranchisement that prevents the working poor from voting.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

The number of excuses people are willing to make for Democrats is astounding. I've been watching the Republicans obstruct the Democrats for the last sixteen years. Meanwhile, Trump has been in power for a month, and Democrats are fast-tracking his appointments, even when it's a conspiracy theorist to lead the FBI or an anti-vaxer to head HHS. They've given unanimous consent to Trump's agenda 345 times so far. You should be calling them every day and demanding they act like an actual opposition party, not justifying their collaboration with the fascists. Who knows, maybe if they show voters that they're actually willing to stand up and fight for something, they might actually win a fucking election.

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[-] sakodak@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Most of the members of Congress are extremely wealthy, Republican and Democrat alike. They're not doing anything about this coup consolidating capitalist class power because they stand to personally gain from it. They don't have to pretend to not have the votes to stop yet another grab at working class wallets because they can point at Elon and say "we have no power here."

There are certain people who never want to hear it, but very few national politicians give a shit about us, certainly not enough to make a difference. They're in it for personal gain, everything else is performative.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They should like... Be politicians though. We get they can't pass legislation, but be fucking politicians.

Republicans out of the majority make you sniff their shit daily and are all over the news cycle. Democrats seem to think it's ok to just say they're concerned and send me fundraising emails.

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago

Well the Google results i saw say about 64% of eligible voters voted, which is apparently high for the US.

Based on 2020 numbers it does look like a lot of 2020 Biden voters stayed home and most 2020 Trump voters came out again. Add in some economy frustration and surprise we get this shit show for 4 years...

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