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European leaders holding emergency talks in Brussels have agreed on a massive increase to defence spending, amid a drive to shore up support for Ukraine after Donald Trump halted US military aid and intelligence sharing.

But the show of unity was marred by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, failing to endorse an EU statement on Ukraine pushing back against Trump’s Russia-friendly negotiating stance.

The 26 other EU leaders, including Orbán’s ally Robert Fico, the Slovakian prime minister, “firmly supported” the statement. “There can be no negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine,” said the draft statement, a response to Trump’s attempt to sideline Europe and Kyiv.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Can we just kick out Hungary already?

Hungarians; nothing against your hut until you got your shit together and rid yourself of the dictator wannabe, we can't have Hungary be the the saboteur of every good thing the EU is trying to do

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Shore up aid how? With UK’s nonexistent SPGs (they sent basically their entire SPG fleet into Ukraine) and Poland’s SPG fleet that has already been gutted in half from SPG deliveries to Ukraine? Or Germany’s 1 trillion euro aid package proposal to Ukraine which nearly won the horrendous AFD party the election?

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I presume by... making things? with the 800 billion euros?

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No way dude! But with what industry though?

In all seriousness, Russia was producing 20-30 T-90Ms per month (or 240-360 per year) in 2024 going off of monthly deliveries. The entirety of Europe cannot even match this. The only country I am aware of that can produce this many tanks per month is South Korea and China. This has likely increased since then but due to increased OPSEC, there have been no videos of batches of T-90Ms (or even T-72B3s) being delivered. But missile production has doubled since 2024 so I would not be surprised that tank production has also doubled to 40-60 per month (480-720 per year).

I have been keeping track of T-90M deliveries for a while now:

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It was always around 20-30 per month last year. This means Russia produces more tanks than the amount the entire German military has in a single year. And as I stated, this likely has doubled but it is impossible to verify as OPSEC means we have not seen any deliveries on video for half a year now. Europe can't even produce their own ballistic missiles which have been a game changer in Ukraine as shown by the effectiveness of ATACMS and Iskander-M.

Russia is producing more shells than the entirety of Europe combined who struggles to supply Ukraine with even a million shells (while Russia was producing 3 million per year in 2024).

[-] NotLemming@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Noone cares for your Russian propaganda here. Go away. Quit your troll farm job and go do something better.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

Trump is an asshole, and the US should absolutely be the leader in defending Ukraine given its stockpiles and technologies and the immediacy of the need.

At the same time, Europe was able to fund some pretty nice social programs by minimizing defense spending over the last few decades. They could only do that with aggressors on their borders by relying far too heavily on the US.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US government spends more per total capita on healthcare than any country with nationalized healthcare, but in the US it covers less than a third of the population.

The US spends more on defense than anyone but it keeps fucking things up all around the world to justify those spendings.

The US can afford social programs, it decides not to, so give us all a fucking break.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

Thanks for so passionately rallying against something I didn't write.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're saying that Europe can afford social programs because it doesn't spend as much as the USA in defense, implying the USA can't afford those because they're defending Europe, I'm saying the USA has no excuse not to offer social programs even with their current spendings.

I'm 100% sure that Europe wouldn't have cut their social programs if their defense budget was higher, it's a governance choice to let your population eat shit and die and to waste money pretending to help it and that's the choice the USA made.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

Europe can grow their military and keep social programs at the same level by increasing taxes.

The USA can increase social spending by decreasing military spending, increasing taxes, or increasing the deficit.

There are other options like cutting fraud and waste, etc.

I don't know why you were rude to me, but your audience approves.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Because the whole world is tired of people acting like the US is a victim in that and that's exactly what you did in your original message.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

You might want to check your personal prejudices with how you treat other people.

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

The eu sent $5b more in arms to Ukraine than the us did.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

They need to increase that but also keep more for themselves.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any country with socialised healthcare

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

You're the second person to write that, and it's entirely irrelevant to European military spending, Russia, and Ukraine.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

It's completely relevant to your fallacious argument that other countries have social programs because the benevolent protection from the US.

The US could have the best healthcare systems in the world without reducing military spending. It only doesn't for the sake of the profit of insurance companies.

Your social programs don't suck because of your "benevoloent protection" (which has turned into a mafia protection racket now) but because American hyper-capitalist ideology is a barrier against being able to create effective social programs.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago

I feel like I'm responding to AI at this point. I already responded ad nauseum that I was not arguing anything about the US system. Now people want to use my comment as representing their favorite Boogeyman.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I keep hearing this but I'm a skeptic at heart. You wouldn't happen to have some sources would you?

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

Lots of people are saying Trump is an asshole.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That is the only part of your comment that doesn't need additional sources

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