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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 143 points 4 months ago

I think it's fair to say that ketamine may be affecting his faculties, but this is dipping it's toe into "the drugs make him do it!" sanewashing.

Drugs don't make people assholes. They were assholes before they took the drugs, and the drugs emphasise what an asshole they are.

[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

As the saying goes “sober thoughts, drunk words”

[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

People have been known to change personalities and become like that after serious brain injuries. Not uncommon for such people to become right wing.

I don't know much about ketamines effect on the brain..

[-] hooferboof@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I have a running theory that the reason celebs like telia tequila and Kanye suddenly veer so hard to crazy town is brain damaged caused by overdose/suicide and being clinically deaad + sent to weird brainwashing rehab facilities

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 94 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm gonna tap the sign.

(The Drug User's Bible, by Dominic Milton Trott)

Do not let Elon Musk own ketamine. It is a valid depression treatment.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago

Well...it's found to effective at halting the immediate effects of severe depression. In other words, it's just enough to stop someone from going suicidal or worse. It has NOT been shown to be a good candidate for long-term use in treating general depression in anyone, in fact, there's a larger nunber of studies correlating Ketamine abuse with mental defect than showing it useful in a medical capacity.

There's a huge difference between those two things. Here's a study that only looked at previous records (no conflict of interest in new study targets) : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8972190/

Well…it’s found to effective at halting the immediate effects of severe depression. In other words, it’s just enough to stop someone from going suicidal or worse. It has NOT been shown to be a good candidate for long-term use in treating general depression in anyone, in fact, there’s a larger nunber of studies correlating Ketamine abuse with mental defect than showing it useful in a medical capacity.

That, and with the resources available to someone like Elon, I am sure he has some personal doctor giving him regular recreational access if he wants to.

That being said, the article is a bit sensationalist. It shouldn't be ruled out as a contributing factor, but Elon has basically always had that confused arsehole streak to his character.

[-] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 months ago

Correct. However, it is effective in the short term, which makes its short term use valid. Occasional recreational use is also valid. I feel psychedelics are a better option in most cases. Elon Musk has chosen to use ketamine chronically--carelessness in, carelessness out. He shouldn't be the face of ketamine. I'm rightfully concerned about the demonization of ketamine due to these headlines, when the only thing that should be demonized is Musk.

Musk is the same person who said homelessness is a propaganda word for useless drug addicts. Anti-drug sentiment is a dangerous radical right ideology. People must remember this when discussing this subject. I've seen comments on many posts relating to politicians and drug use with an inherently negative stance on drugs, particularly with Musk, which is my reason for tapping the sign. The articles themselves often have an anti-drug bias, and I feel that's showing itself here a little.

Keep discourse in good faith.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Valid treatments are abused all the time...

Ket is abused all the time.

Musk isn't taking it therapeuticly, he's taking it recreationally to dissociate from a reality where he's a giant asshole everyone hates and makes fun.

Two completely different uses

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago

Growing up the son of a wealthy emerald-mine owning dysfunctional family in apartheid South Africa explains a lot of his behavior too.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago

And grandson of the head of the “technocracy” party in Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

[-] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

Excuses at this point

[-] metoosalem@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

Hitler and friends liked amphetamine.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There's an oldish ~~English~~ Irish rap song about what Ketamine is like ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5PWRPeMOk

And man, does it explain Musk

[-] Saeveo@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Versatile are Irish.

(Or were, I think they've gone their separate ways now.)

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Good looking out

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 7 points 4 months ago

People are too hard on drugs. Drugs are great. the ketamine might be helping for all we know. It's money and feeling unwanted as a child that has caused this man's brain damage.

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

You can see the insecure little boy in him so much. Him and Joe Rogan. They are so obviously doing everything in themselves to have some confidence but not even millions and billions of dollars can fill that hole of abandonment.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 5 points 4 months ago

Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched. Whether good, bad, or mixed, the knowledge would be useful.

In any case, I think that being wealthy is the most dangerous drug of all. It frees you from the consequences of your actions. Being invulnerable from society, prevents you from knowing what it means to be harmed. It is why rich folks tend to be assholes, since they don't understand the reality of being human. They are more akin to space aliens or dragons.

...at this point, excessive wealth is something I believe to be a drug that harms society, not individuals.

[-] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not huge into drugs, can someone explain to me why a billionaire takes ketamine? Isn't it a prescription painkiller?

Shouldn't he be smoking brainstem of an endangered rainforest frog, or some nameless lab chemical synthesized personally for him?

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 0 points 4 months ago

I know it's hard to phantom, but they have human bodies

That react to stimulants just like we

But they aren't like us

[-] JTskulk@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago
[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 0 points 3 months ago

Oh man is that really how it's spelled? Thx

[-] hyveltjuven@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Two different words 🙂

Phantom - a ghost

Fathom - to understand

[-] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Fathom is more specifically a unit of measurement for depth of water. If you fathom something, you've gauged the depths of the topic.

[-] hyveltjuven@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Oh cool. TIL

[-] index@sh.itjust.works -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So here's one thing: all humans are the same.

It doesn't matter how evil you are, you are not immune to guilt, when you fuck up millions of people you are going to be affected. They (corrupted rulers) are probably on multiple drugs and pills to patch up their conditions.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago

It doesn’t matter how evil you are, you are not immune to guilt

Not true. Malignant narcissists like Trump don't experience guilt, shame, etc.

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