US and Ukraine Hatch 'Ceasefire' Travesty : worldnews

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago

"Faux pas" - you day didn't smile while eatng the poop that we served you.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Anyone who thought that Trump wouldn't be just another imperialist of the same variety as Biden has egg on their face. Great man theory bunk yet again.

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The boxer on the ropes and his trainer deciding to have an extra time-out.
Surely the other boxer must accept or he is clearly not of good will.

And the exact same "ball in Russia's court" tweets LOL
EU crying about not being taken seriously and demanding respect.
Here they are again reading what the note says dictated by their US masters. Pathetic clowns

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lmao even the usually 0% critical about Ukraine Polish media had a little pause over this truly nonsensical pseudodiplomatic farce. Fortunately for them it was a little pause and the script was soon followed up as before with a more pressure in voice.

[+] gimmelemmy@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago

This article seems to be based around an assumption that the entire story of what is going on in Ukraine is obvious on its face. What is obvious is that the level of smoke and mirrors employed in this situation is on a generational scale. There are adults who were not alive to witness the last time we witnessed this level of obfuscation, control of the narrative, and use of the age old tactic of distraction

Besides all of that, this article seems to pick and choose its obvious points and disregard many others

All of that is to say that this is part of the overall effort, a position which is further supported by the fact that this article is printed by the esteemed simplicius. You know, that renowned author of insightful commentary that we all know so well

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 23 hours ago

Chatgpt ass comment

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't expect the invader to accept a proposal to stop their invasion. Hopefully Trump realizes this soon and surges support to Ukraine to force Russia to stop their invasion.

Trump immediately announced all previous restrictions on weapons aid and intel sharing to be lifted from Ukraine

Seems he is half-way there in doing what needs to be done to stop Russia's invasion.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

hope you're ready to go fight in Ukraine

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml -5 points 17 hours ago

far down the slippery slope on this one.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago

Nah, it's not a slippery slope to suggest that people who want wars should fight in them. It's funny how brave y'all are when it's other people dying for your ideology.

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago

It's a slippery slope fallacy to suggest that supporting Ukraine means that they will be enlisted and sent to the front lines.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 hours ago

Thanks for clarifying that you don't understand what slippery slope fallacy is.

[-] commander@lemmings.world 20 points 1 day ago

and surges support to Ukraine to force Russia to stop their invasion.

How? Ukraine will need troops from additional armies in order to win against Russia.

[+] 60d@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 day ago

So did Viet Nam, right?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

The regime the west is supporting in Ukraine is precisely in the position the south Vietnamese regime was.

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

And Murca fucked that up too.

[-] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 1 day ago

@60d@lemmy.ca

The USA hasn't won a single war since WW2.

@yogthos@lemmy.ml

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

Not even. The Soviets won that war for them, they came in late like the vultures they are to reap the rewards.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

The US was a minor player in WW2 as well to be fair.

[-] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 day ago

@yogthos@lemmy.ml

Indeed, it was Russia that enabled the other allies to land on D-Day. The eastern front occupied the best German troops. One would never know this if reading Anglo-Saxon history, though. Sad.

@BombOmOm@lemmy.world @commander@lemmings.world @60d@lemmy.ca

[-] Jimius@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 day ago

Hasn't won any wars with unlimited objectives. Where there is no clear end goal, because regime change and installing a friendly government isn't really clear and actionable.

The first Gulf War had limited objectives, was a massive success and took only 6 months.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Cowardly bombing a country is not 'fighting a war'
Even then, like the ukranians you mostly used a proxy, the Kurds and other local factions to do the fighting for you.
And in good american tradition you threw them under the bus later.

[-] Jimius@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago

I think you need to brush up on your history. And who is "you"? I'm not even American my friend.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

First of all how old were you when it happened?
I bet you got the sanitised, revisionist version, after some years plenty believed it had to do with WMD's and never heard of the US warcrimes. (Same thing happened after decades of Hollywood fantasy movie propaganda when people in EU began to believe the US won the war and not the never mentioned Soviets)
I'm sure I know more about it or history in general you since we have better education than you Canadians and.
I'm sure with the many many SS Galicia warcriminals that moved there, and their offspring like Freeland whitewashing them I think you probably don't know enough about your own country.

[-] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 day ago

@Bloomcole@lemmy.ml

Sadly, you're right about my country — most Canadians don't know that many Ukrainian Banderaites immigrated to Canada during the Cold War. They had to be stringent anti-communists, so obviously that would be people from western Ukraine. And yes, just like our former Deputy PM, Chrystia Freeland. Her Grandfather was an official Nazi. I've heard that Alberta has some statues glorifying Bandera, possibly in Sask and Manitoba too, where there are other pockets of Ukrainian diaspora. It appears that some Canadians on Lemmy are followers of this ideology, judging by many of their comments, like the fool you're responding to. Probably why the western provinces of Canada Alberta always vote hard right.

@BombOmOm@lemmy.world @commander@lemmings.world @60d@lemmy.ca @yogthos@lemmy.ml @Jimius@lemmy.ml

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

And it continues: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/12/30/cypl-d30.html

immigrated to Canada during the Cold War.

Also yes, but my link shows the west actively rescued and evacuated the worst SS nazis even during the war and sent them there.
Others followed later.
They figured it was a good way to counter the left-wing sentiments many earlier immigrants had. Ironically many of them Ukrainian communists.
Here's a good read on how it evolved and how they now have power:
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/canadian-conservative-party-bandera-canada/
Good luck over there.

[-] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 day ago

@Bloomcole@lemmy.ml

Thanks, yes knew about this. NASA was successful because of German research and the lead technical person was a von Braun, IIRC. West German Intelligence was staffed by many former Gestapo too. They figured it was a good way to counter the Soviets and East Germans in Europe.

@BombOmOm@lemmy.world @commander@lemmings.world @60d@lemmy.ca @yogthos@lemmy.ml @Jimius@lemmy.ml

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Also worth noting that one of the main goals of bringing in nazis in was to break the nascent labor unions.

[-] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 day ago

@yogthos@lemmy.ml

Geesus! Interesting, wasn't aware of this.

@BombOmOm@lemmy.world @commander@lemmings.world @60d@lemmy.ca @Jimius@lemmy.ml @Bloomcole@lemmy.ml

[-] Jimius@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

after some years plenty believed it had to do with WMD’s

No, it was very clear it was to get Iraq out of Kuwait after it invaded. Iraq wanted to gain more regional dominance and add Kuwait's oil reserves to it's own economy after the costly Iran-Iraq war.

you Canadians

Also not Canadian, the world is a big place

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Ask people now about Iraq and see if they mention Kuwait or WMD's.
And where do they miseducate people like that?
Is it a secret or should I guess?
Another one of the terrible 5 eyes countries?
then 1 UK AUS.
Or one of the terrible baltics or miserable Poland.
But your English is good and know how to spell (so I should've known you weren't american)

[-] Jimius@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago

You're not making a lot of sense. So I see no point in talking any further.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

you sure weasel out like an american LOL

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

It's the same story every time. Eventually, the US realizes that the proxy war has become a sunk cost and leaves their proxy to hang.

[-] commander@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

You mean Vietnam? Why are you mentioning it?

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Murca fucked it up. Same story.

[-] badwetter@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 2 days ago

@BombOmOm@lemmy.world I doubt very much that the USA could stop the Russians, even if they wanted too.

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Years of pumping Ukraine full of cutting edge western weapons to the point of bringing both the EU's and US's weapon stockpile dangerously low couldn't stop Russia, there isn't anything the west can do to stop Russia.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

They are going backward WITH their weapons and have to kidnap kids and granddads off the streets.
Tell me genius, how exactly are they going to "stop their invasion". Are you still living in your 2022 Russia is running out of arms and gas fantasy?
It will end when the fascists are defeated, orange man or anyone else has no say in this and can't do shit about that.

Amazing operation BTW from Russia going 15K in a gaspipe and then destroying and capturing what's left of the Banderites.
Somehow you don't show that in your cringe combat videos.
No wonder you live in a fantasy world.
Is the ghost of kiev coming back too?
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