Jordan Lund at it again (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 12 hours ago by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Context:

The article in question was well sourced, factually accurate, and written by a well-renowned author and journalist whose work appears elsewhere too, regardless of which outlet published it.

Nonetheless, Jordan Lund is once again blindly trusting a pro-zionist conservative outlet masquerading as a bias and fact checker that nothing from anywhere that criticizes the fascist apartheid regime can be reliable 🤦

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[-] Chodi_MacCunt@r.nf 2 points 2 hours ago

Jhrodfun is my fasvorite rapper

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

This is the mod who shielded UniversalMonk for months and only banned them once like 1000 people loudly harped on it for weeks. Fuck that guy

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 10 hours ago

But anyone who isn't a moron knows that MBFC is an incredibly biased source...... Right?

Literally they make it so obvious

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 hours ago

They think that because it claims to be accurate, therefore it is. No fact checking of themselves, no matter how it is completely wrong and treats liberal media as far left, and fox news are center right, it's the godsend for the mods to remove anything they dislike.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 10 hours ago

Well there’s a lot of morons on Lemmy.

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[-] Broadfern@lemmy.world 29 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Christ on a bike.

I have a hard time taking seriously anything or anyone who says “Far-Left Biased” (esp. with that capitalization) unironically.

Lazy PTB on the grounds of (maybe mindlessly) parroting Fox News rhetoric instead of researching themselves.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Far left = center left

Just shift every bias check result to the right a bunch and its correct lol

[-] Broadfern@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago

How dare you be anti-genocide, you extremist?!1!?? /s

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 hours ago

"You being against mass murder cost us the election!"

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 14 points 11 hours ago

TIL Mint Press News.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MintPress_News

MintPress News supported former Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and the governments of Russia and Iran.[3][4]

The editor had investors, who Muhawesh claimed were "retired businesspeople", but she would not name them

Soon afterward, Brian Lambert of MinnPost wrote an article following up on Burke's challenge to find out where MintPress's money came from. He reported that emails to them went unanswered, their phone was disconnected, and the original office address in Plymouth, Minnesota, "haven't been valid in well over a year". While MintPress listed 20 of its writers, Lambert wrote it did not indicate where the money was "coming from to pay any of these people".[16]

MintPress News has reposted content from Russian state media outlets RT and Sputnik,[25][26] and is listed as a "partner" of PeaceData, a Russian fake news site run by the Internet Research Agency.[27][28][29] A report from New Knowledge includes MintPress News as part of the "Russian web of disinformation,"[30][31] and the site has published fake authors attributed to the GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency.[32] MintPress News defended Russia's invasion of Crimea, claiming Ukraine's post-revolution government was "illegitimate".[33]

Sounds like YDI. MBFC is horrible of course, but it sounds like in this case they got it right (somehow focusing in one of the only things Mint Press gets right, being "anti-Israel", presumably as a performative cover so they'll fit in better among other general left wing news. Which of course triggered MBFC, which is part of the whole reason why it's clever for them to include a whole bunch of "Israel's the bad guys" in among the "Russia's the good guys.")

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 12 hours ago

Oh i just realized that stupid bias check bot has been gone for a while. Everyone hated it so i guess it was killed or blocked at some point? Anyone know the story?

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 11 hours ago

Personally I haven't seen it for ages because I blocked it, but if I was to guess, the mods finally relented to the overwhelming majority? 🤷

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 hours ago

They held a vote after insisting for ages that it was a ‘small minority’ of users that had a problem with it. It wasn’t 90/10, but it wasn’t 50/50 either.

Oh, and they only held the vote after jordanlund claimed he would get demodded by the admins if he removed the bot. And when someone pinged an admin they said they had no idea how he got that impression, lol.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 10 points 9 hours ago

Also, a big part of their argument was that it was the only option, nothing else would do that had an API endpoint and had affordable terms of use. I offered to provide them an API endpoint to Wikipedia's sources list (which is precisely the same thing as MBFC, just... accurate and detailed) in exactly the same format, and they said no no that won't do. I wrote code to actually fetch and parse Wikipedia's list so they could make the bot follow actually-accurate source rankings with additional details and everything. Rooki silently received the message, then there was a long delay, then a little "Wikipedia" line started showing up way down below the awful MBFC rankings that were still front and center.

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yeah Jordanlund has a history of lying about why he does certain things. The fact that he said that when you can just simply ask the admins if that's true or not, is enough for me to never trust him.

The dude has recently been saying how much he is against what's happening in Gaza, but people brought up screenshots of him saying he was a fan of sending more bombs to Israel, and removing posts highlighting the increase in weapons being sent to Israel in the last 4 years.

The dude would have to get his neighbors to call the dogs home because they wouldn't believe him.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 9 hours ago

Are you serious? Because I really wanted to give Jordan the benefit of doubt mod decisions were flawed, but a though job on his part. ;(

Edit: NVM jordanlund has removed a thread by @miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar miss_demeanour in politics - He voted for Trump. Now his wife sits in an ICE detention center.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 hours ago

Took me a bit to find it; it was in a direct reply to an admin rather than pinging them. They also give a link to the thread where JL claims the admins would sack him if he got rid of the bot.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 8 hours ago

Thanks so much. I had to "context" a few times but finally found it: https://lemmy.world/comment/12825768

Also thanking @https://kbin.earth/u/@PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat for standing up in that thread.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

That whole conversation is so weird. I went back and reread big sections of it, and it's just... the conversation is off. Jordan says he can't remove the bot, because the admins won't allow it. Rooki says that's definitely not true, so people ask Jordan about it... and he's just silent. Not "oh I must have misunderstood" or anything else, just pretending that if he doesn't say anything, no one will notice that someone asked him a question, and everyone will move on. And then there's Rooki accepting the code for scanning Wikipedia's sources... but totally missing the point that the MBFC sources are awful, and the WP reliable sources list is actually quite good, and deciding that MBFC and Ground News are what needs to be positioned front and center. Also seeming totally uninterested in the idea of improving the quality of the ratings in response to the clear consensus of the community with citations.

I checked the last of the stuff that MBFC bot posted, 4 months ago, and the little line where the Wikipedia rating had previously featured had been replaced to a link to the WP article about the source, missing the whole point of categorizing sources cleanly into bullshit/not bullshit or the point that certain sources (Newsweek) had clearly slid into unreliability over time, but were still allowed on the lemmy.world subs for some reason.

It's just so strange. Someone had a conspiracy theory that one of the admins had an unannounced sponsorship deal with Ground News, and that was the whole reason behind the entire thing to drop a link to Ground News while misdirecting everyone into getting mad at MBFC or something. I have no idea. It was just weird.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Removed as a duplicate, the same link was submitted 1 hour before and had more comments.

https://lemm.ee/post/58586482

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 8 hours ago

My b

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

No worries. I think a lot of the problem is that people don't know how moderation works.

We don't hang out in the group waiting to pounce on posts looking to fuck with people. Well, I shouldn't say "we", I don't do that. :)

There's a queue of reports and it looks like this:

So when I look at reports, it's a matter of "is this true?"

Going to the politics community, I searched for "ICE detention" and sorted by "New". Boom, there it was #1 and #2, two posts with the same thumbnail, one 6 hours old, one 7 hours old.

Same thumbnail doesn't necessarily mean anything, same link? Yeah, same link.

Here's where it gets tricky:

Which one do you remove? The knee jerk is "Well, duh, the newer one." But in this case, the newer one has more upvotes for some reason.

At that point, I looked at the comments, the newer one had more upvotes, but fewer comments. One of them needs to go, I picked that one. If it had had more upvotes AND more comments, I'd have kept it with a note on the other as "removed for duplicate and lower community engagement."

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 8 hours ago

Thanks for a detailed and well-explained reply. I understand. A lot of the problem seems that being questionable often enough that everything is sus. It can be corrected with diligence and determination on the moderators' parts. Which is simple, but not necessarily easy.

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[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 11 hours ago

There was a public vote on whether to eliminate it or not from the .world news and politics communities, and the vote to remove won, thankfully!

[-] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

We should really start those dashboards of power tripping per mod

As usual

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 hours ago

I'm all for the increased federation of news from .world and .ml to limit the censorship the mod teams enable when it doesn't paint America or Russia as the perfect golden cows.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

PTB, not a shocker.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 hours ago

I lack any context but if the rule is against questionable sources and a mod is able to document that the source is questionable then surely there other news outlets are reporting on that too that you can use. Unless there’s a big conspiracy against that.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

No conspiracy required. The Celtic fans' antifascist and pro-Palestinian position is not news, so I see no reason to expect non-left outlets to report an equivalent opinion piece. In fact, this second image was reported in news 9 years ago^[1]^.

That said, Manufacturing Consent is an excellent introduction to why mass media bias has emerged.

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