https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
The protests lasted over a month; the massacre ended them in a flood of state-sponsored murder.
Dear Tankies, Wumaos, and assorted apologists:
If you want to be banned that badly, you can just ask instead of writing several paragraphs denying easily verified atrocities of historical note.
Not trying to be banned or anything, just genuinely confused about the topic. We are reading online articles about something that happened 'long' ago, far away, that can be pointing to one way or the opposite. For me is very difficult to trust one article more than other.. It looks like people that want to believe one side will find something to back their opinion and vicecersa. I don't agree when you say this is 'easily' verifiable. At least I don't find it easily to verify. Happy to be pointed to some source/direction to investigate more.
🤣 you stupider then you know
My friend, you should breathe a bit deeper and self reflect on what's bothering you. I doubt a person asking an honest question is it.
a person asking an honest question is it.
Are you though? Or are you someone trying to sow doubt and obfuscate the topic without getting banned? Cause if a person digs hard enough it's pretty easy to find pictures and videos of Chinese soldiers murdering students in what is easily identifiably as Tiananmen Square. And the pictures are very graphic as to what happened to some of those students I.E. do you know what it actually looks like when a person is run over by a tank?
Same. Any genuine person wouldnt doubt that the sky is blue. Learn to learn.
Post about China.
4 comments about China.
6 comments about the US.
I mean, given the climate, feels a little prophetic about where the US is heading.
TIN SOLDIERS AND NIXON’S COMING
WE’RE FINALLY ON OUR OWN
THIS SUMMER I HEAR THE DRUMMING
FOUR DEAD IN OHIO 🎵
…I wonder if there’s a Chinese equivalent of CSNY who wrote a song about Tiananmen Square..?
Never paid much mind to the second line, seeing it in writing is somehow so much more chilling.
Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
Shoulda been done long ago
The sense of resignation, the combination of slaughter and starting a long-overdue chore.
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?
How indeed? Beyond chilling.
The working class threatened the elite's power.
Have always been curious what happened to those two dancing.
I have the suspicion that the CCP is very scared of knowledge of Tiananmen spreading, not because of the amount of victims (fairly low by Chinese standards and for how large the protests were), but rather that they are scared of the knowledge spreading of how much popular support the movement had and of how widespread it was. Most soldiers were also unwilling to attack civilians, so army divisions had to be brought in from far away and the soldiers had to be subjected to misinformation to goad them into attacking civilians.
This wiki article goes over what it took to suppress the protests: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_at_the_1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
Afterwards the CCP took steps to ensure that next time, the army would be more loyal to the government: officers who had no qualms with attacking civilians were rewarded/promoted, and those who had not executed their orders were purged. Dictators need immoral people to execute their orders.
Does anyone have good book recommendations on China's recent history? I wanna learn about the creation of the PRC, the cultural revolution, the '89 democracy movement. I have started reading the Wikipedia articles but it's just so dense and dry and I'm having trouble following it, I'm having trouble understanding the social state the described events happen in.
Was just wondering if there's good books that explain everything better.
Okay, hold onto your hats:
Fenby’s 'History of Modern China' is epic and magisterial but far too long for this (goes back to the mid-1800s), while McGregor’s 'The Party' is good for post-‘89 but doesn’t really touch the topics you’re interested in.
Richard Kraus' books 'Very Short Introduction' series is apparently excellent.
Two I’ve not read but come recommended:
The Cultural Revolution: A People’s History, 1962–1976 – Frank Dikötter
Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962 — Yang Jisheng (not strictly what your internet stranger asked about, but the roots of the Cultural Revolution are surely to be found in Mao’s Great Leap Forward.)
Finally there is also a doco 'China's Cultural Revolution: The Full Story' - on YT/NewPipe etc. - quite good!
I hope you find some answers to your queries!
Please extend my big thanks to your bro :)
Amazing :) thanks so much!
Sit tight; I will ask my bro-in-law. He will, no doubt, have an answer. If not, he'll at least have a reason why it doesn't exist 😆 Recommendation incoming.
Dot to come back and look at recommendations.
Have responded to OP above :)
Funny, just yesterday I had an .ml insisting to me that the protests ended peacefully and that any hint of violence is western propaganda.
Edit: just had another one saying the same crap but the mods nuked it.
These are disproved very fast by the fact that the chinese government doesnt want you to talk about it. Governments dont usually create whole censor campaigns around things that never happened. And before you say us this and us that, the us is also trying to cober things up and we also know a lot of those things because they get leaked. Talking about the us is a classic tankie move because it diverts your attention from the actual thing you were talking about, china. Just move to europe if you can and help in making a place that isnt an absolute shithole because sadly, currently europe is getting really close to that status.
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