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submitted 1 week ago by Mee@reddthat.com to c/politics@lemmy.world

Democratic lawmakers have faced eruptions of anger at town hall meetings across the country this week, as constituents have coupled their fury over President Donald Trump’s actions with deep frustration over what they see as a feckless Democratic response.

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[-] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Time for the neoliberal world order to end. Want Republicans to actually be scared of Democrats? Fill the party with socialists.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago

This is correct. Ultimately, the Democratic Party will only be changed through primaries. Not town halls or performative third party voting, but filling the party up with people who think differently.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago

Ultimately, the Democratic Party will only be changed through primaries.

Only so far as they continue to hold and respect them. We're now 0/3 on that front, so... yeah. It's not impossible, but they'll fight you every step of the way and then some. Creating/hijacking a third party and strategically contesting election will probably accomplish your goals faster. Remember that the only reason the GOP was taken over twice was because the party leadership approved of it.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah people forget that the Democrat party doesn't need to even hold primaries, let alone respect the outcome. The DNC admitted to pushing Hillary to the forefront and were the ones that dragged Biden out of retirement because it seemed like Bernie might win the second time. The good politicians seem like exceptions.

Need to start promoting working families type party.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

I'm not talking about Presidential primaries. I'm talking about state and local. Make it so the Democratic Party is full of progressives, socialists, social democrats, whatever your favorite brand of left-wing politics is. I'd be dammed careful about communists because that word is a fucking non-starter with the American electorate. Hell socialism is as well but it's not as poisonous as communism. When the party is full of... I don't know the proper term because every word I think to use (leftist? Lefties, maybe?) has been co-opted to mean a specific ideology. But make it so the Democratic Party as a whole leans further left, and those people have to be tapped to fill key roles because their presence is so large.

You are absolutely wrong about creating/hacking third party. Ross Perot couldn't pull it off despite spending about 80% what the major parties spent and capturing nearly 19% of votes in a vastly more friendly media environment. In order to achieve just that lofty level of irrelevance, a third party candidate would have to spend about $350 million and buy Fox News or Facebook. Third party isn't going to happen. Presidential primary isn't the place to start.

[-] notabot@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

This is way. Democrat voters want change, but they're not speaking to the system in a language it understands. The party changes not from the top down, but from the bottom up. That only happens when people with different views stand for, and win, lower level positions. Every voice changed lower down on the totem pole changes the presure on the people making decisions further up. Ultimately enough movement lower down means the top eschalons are pushed out and replaced too.

Whether it's possible to find enough candidates to start filling the party, I don't know, but just focusing on the primaries (or lack thereof) for the top job is missing the wood for the trees.

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

Democratic Party will only be changed through primaries

And that means it's time for everyone to actually give a shit about voting in primary elections instead of just old people who keep choosing the worst candidates.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Not just voting, but running for election.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

While I agree, I'm a "child of the internet" so pretty much any opposition research on me would have me murdered by probably everyone.

Maybe I should run. I could unite the left and right in their disgust of me lol

[-] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

Judging by Trump, I bet your reputation matters a whole lot less than you think it does.

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[-] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago

Agreed.

The democrat dinosaurs will panic, telling us the large donations will dry up, without which a campaign cannot be won.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Then we need to remind them that they're not doing a whole lot of winning at the moment.
If I want a paycheck I have to do my job, if I don't do my job I won't get paid.
If they want donations they're going to have to earn with with actions, not plans or promises.

I mean, they are doing their job. It's just that their job is to keep the left down, not to win.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Time for the neoliberal world order to end

Monkey’s paw curls

We now have a fascist world order.

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[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 40 points 1 week ago

Lately my emotions have tended toward anger at the apathetic middle, not the cartoon villains of the Penguin Administration.

I know it’s a minority view but I blame all this on the nice normal people that thought they had better things to do than pay attention to politics.

If you do not see the need for aggressive responses to lawlessness, you let this happen and I find you boring.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago

This has been my position since I was a teenager: centrists are the weak underbelly because they can't pick a side and just want a middle ground.

Great sentiment, but you never have a side, a cause, and your "meaning" is always shifting to placate everyone else in the name of middleness.

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

I have plenty of anger for both groups.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Democrats hit 27% approval this week...

That's ironically the level Schumer said Dems would start doing stuff when Trump hit.

No one likes neoliberals, or their policies

It's just not an effective political strategy, regardless of how you try to look at it. Even ignoring popularity with voters, even when neoliberals get elected, they refuse to do anything.

The entire purpose of it is doing nothing, it's political nihilism.

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

We are alone in this. The dems are better, but they are at fault here too because their entire strategy is being better then the republican which allows Republicans to be as awful as they please

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas."- The Democratic Party

[-] Vari@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

“But please donate to my campaign to STOP this. We will soon, I promise”

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My god I am so sick of the emails.

I used to get emails like "Contribute to X because I will fight for our schools to provide school lunches to everyone!" And I'd donate.

Now, the emails are just "Donald wants to kill education. GIVE ME MONEY."

So you can use that money to buy another sign that says "Pweeze stop"?

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Here's a 100 texts from candidates running for city commissioner in TN and you live on the west coast.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Chickens can at least peck a bit. These dems aren't even that tough

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

I think we may may finally be getting our message across. Here's why:

Last night, Adam Schiff, one of the Democratic lawmakers I respect the most, was on Kimmel, and was very rough not just on the HitlerPig Crime Family, but also Chuck Schumer.

But what really struck me, was that the very honorable, polite, and respectful Adam Schiff took the opportunity to basically say "Fuck You" directly to the president - TWICE!

Kimmel asked him if he had said thank you to HitlerPig, and Schiff said he used a different two-word phrase, but one of the words was "You," and everyone got it and laughed. At the end of his interview, he made another joke that was another very obvious disguised "Fuck You."

They were obviously baiting HitlerPig into a tirade, but seeing Schiff go on national TV and saying Fuck You to HitlerPig twice marks a very new direction in messaging for the Democratic party. I hope this is the beginning of pivoting from appeasement to Hard Ball.

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

Schumer and Pelosi don't have street fighting skills, they are from the era where Republicans weren't all violent dixiecrat trash.

Schiff and the newer ones don't bring harsh words to gunfights.

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

They're boomers. They never had to fight dirty. Theyre part of the Democrat gameplan to compromise on everythin

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[-] zenpocalypse@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Another constituent, Donya Williams, complained Ivey didn’t know the people in his district well enough — because he admitted earlier that he didn’t know who popular podcaster Joe Rogan was until the middle of the 2024 presidential campaign.

This explains so much. They are as ignorant of the current state of things as the "apolitical" voters who thought Trump would be fine this time.

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[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

I don’t see people screaming at Bernie, AOC or Tim Walz. Wonder why that is…. Oh maybe it’s because they’re actually willing to notice the frustrations of their base.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

"Wait you want us to fight for your rights, like you elected us to do? I dunno, that sounds like effort. It's much easier to agree to what Republicans want and it theoretically looks good on paper that we wanna work with Fascists. Maybe we'll get some of their voters this time!"

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

"I know we campaigned on fighting fascism but that was more of a 'if we win' thing"

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[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Well holding signs and doing nothing didn't work?

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[-] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Honestly instead of pushing me to the democrats, this has just gotten me to hate both sides, just hate one a little less.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

You need to do more than finger waggle, treat Republicans the way they treat us

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

They need to understand that they are fighting for the country. And when they don't treat the Republicans and billionaires as the enemy they deprive us of the power to fight at the ballot box.

So we have to go to the soapbox. Like lemmy.

And when that fails, many of us (not me) will find they have nothing else to lose and go to the ammo box, like mangione is accused of.

And the rest of us will go to the jury box and vote not guilty.

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ocasio-Cortez/Sanders 2028

Democrats: No we need to do this

This is why we lose. Fucking unite for something, geez

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

I feel that Sanders is probably too old and that he can pass the torch on at the next election. It's sad, but I still don't think we need an 80 year old running for office.

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