There are so many wild things about that story. Assuming it is all true, he strangled his girlfriend, dismembered her, ran her through a meat grinder and disposed of the bones in three different bags. He got only 11 years. He was pardoned for being part of the Russian Army invading Ukraine. He only served in Ukraine for six months before retiring.
All that is insane. A murder with an already hilariously light sentence is pardoned by being on the front lines for six months?
Nobody in Russian leadership expect any of the criminals to last that long.
How did he even get caught? The disposal plan was rather sound
He confessed.
I've read it in a russian source and it said he murdered her because she insulted some other guy, his friend. Probs a vet too.
He only got 11 years for that?
To be fair 11 years is a reeeeaalllllly long time in Russia. That's almost middle aged for them at the rate they've been going through soldiers.
I would say ~10 years is normal for a murder in Germany and other European countries. I don't know about current Russia but here the idea is jail time should lead to rehabilitation and a bit of punishment. In the US it is much more focused on punishment.
A murder verdict carries a mandatory life sentence in Germany, you might be thinking of manslaughter, which has a minimum of five. Life-long means possibility of parole after no fewer than 15 years, the average is 18.9 years, 13% sit longer than 25 years including, indeed, life-long. Not to speak of the possibility of preventive detention.
It's only about punishment in the US.
Mostly led by the “Christians”
Don't forget Canada.
There's no rehabilitation going on in Russia lol
I do agree with the rest of your sentiment though. In developed countries with rehab systems 10 years is a fair time frame.
It's not like he did anything serious like refer to the war in Ukraine as a war
You won't last a day in a Russian prison.
Literal orcs aren't even trying to pretend they're not orcs.
The fact his name is Zelensky allows for some fun trolling when a vatnik starts spewing propaganda about Zelenskyy.
Heading to the front? Sounds like he'll be getting a death sentence soon enough then.
Now he will be put through the meat grinder
live by the meat grinder, die by the meat grinder
Russian prison or the Ukraine front... not sure which I'd choose.
Morally? Shouldn't be a hard question to answer.
I think once you've ground up your girlfriend in a meat grinder, the moral side of the question becomes rather murky.
Using ethically backwards logic, this can earn some cred in prison, while it doesn't matter on a frontline. Unless you are a torture operator or whatever.
I don't know, I bet Wagner would welcome someone with that sort of skill.
If we are discussing morality and philosophy, I would argue that the question is still not "murky". I reject your premise that a one cannot make arguments as to the morality of future actions, for a person who has committed immoral acts. If we can accept the premise that Russia's war in Ukraine is that of an aggressor state, participating in it as combatant, is immoral. Going to jail for refusing to participate in it, is not immoral. Whether or not that person has previously ground up people, is not relevant.
That doesn't mean the decision is an easy one to make. Or, it's much less easy than it is for me to armchair my words around. But I don't think morality is hard to pin down here.
Yeah, again, this guy ground up his girlfriend. I don't think he has a good grasp of morality.
But... We still do, right? Also, what do you mean "again"? Anyway, I'm sure it's fine and it all makes sense. Have a good one
Sounds like something Putin would do.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A Russian convicted murderer who was sentenced to 11 years in prison after he killed his girlfriend and put her body through a meat grinder has been pardoned after fighting against Ukraine, his mother said.
According to 59.RU, Zelensky told investigators during an interrogation that he dismembered her body, processed it in a meat grinder, collected the bones in three bags, and threw them into the river.
She told the news outlet that she had received a call from her son late last year in which he said he had signed a six-month agreement with the Wagner Group to fight in Ukraine.
Now, Zelensky is living with his aunt in Antratsit, in the Russian-occupied Luhansk region of eastern Ukraine, where he plans to get a job as a builder, his mom told 59.RU.
The news outlet said that Zelensky is making payments to the father and sister of his murdered ex-girlfriend, adding that a portion of his salary in the penal colony was also going toward his victim's family.
The UK Ministry of Defence warned in March that a large number of pardoned prisoners returning to Russia would lead to a "sudden influx of often violent offenders with recent and often traumatic combat experience," which could present a significant challenge.
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That headline had me all sorts of confused.
Yep, I think using the word 'after' rather than 'because' makes it a bit easier to understand.
There isn't enough alcohol in England
The actual fuck!😳
Jerma?
Hopefully, when Ukraine retakes the occupied oblasts, they'll either deport or reimprison this guy.
Unfortunately he was allowed to retire after fighting for only six months according to a comment above. I think this guy might know the right rich people to get the stupid short sentence in the first place, then be allowed free after six months. It's disgusting.
BADEN CLAY WASN'T EVEN THAT BAD
WELL, ALMOST
I'm afraid he'd return as a hero, and a wealthy one. A role model for future generations. The Dad that buys things, gifts them. Not an unmanly poor sucker who refuses service.
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