No, every person on that chat (other than the editor from the Atlantic) should lose their clearance and be fired. They were all using an unapproved, off-record system for discussing matters of national security. They are all responsible.
Beyond that, every member of the chat could see who else was in it and not a single one put in half a second to scan through the other names/initials to verify they knew everyone included.
No, every single member of that chat should have pointed out that the communication violates multiple clear, long existing federal laws about how communications about federal government business is to be conducted, especially about military operations, and refused to communicate via signal instead of approved channels.
All of them violated multiple laws.
Ok sure, but her emails.
You're mad about her emails? In a time where his laptop exists?
As long as they find this Ben Ghazi guy idgaf.
That son of a bitch
Buttery Males!
Jeffrey Goldberg should lose his job too but for unrelated reasons. Good on him for publishing this responsibly but he sucks too. He was arguably the main cheerleader for the 2nd Iraq war.
Shocking. You shitcan the infosec practices and human resources you've built up for decades, and then wonder why your new seive doesn't make a good bucket.
We've got some absolute geniuses running things here.
I'm stealing this analogy
When the most responsible person in the chat is the journalist added in error…
Somehow the kids knew they needed an adult in the room...
The crimes each member may have committed exposes them to multi-decade prison sentences.
They're urging someone to resign? RESIGN?
Let's see the court cases. Each one of those hypocrites.
Good luck with that. It will never happen.
Exactly.
Orange ShitGibbon had boxes and boxes of top secret stuff in his unlocked toilet right next to a fax machine yet nothing happened.
Not only did nothing happen to him, he also got voted back in again. Ffs.
two words: presidential pardon.
No one will spend the time, money and effort to prosecute these people when they can just wave the whole thing away with a signature.
@FiskFisk33 @corsicanguppy why not make him do it. Make him sign his approval to every "mistake" his cabinet makes.
But then I don't really think I understand US politics. To me it makes no sense why there isn't an impeachment charge against him every day. He's providing enough ammo. If he's going to flood the zone, flood it right back.
Me neither. I would have thought this was exactly the kind of situation impeachment was meant to stop. I am thoroughly confused.
One thing I want to know is: who did Waltz think he was adding? Is there another Goldberg in the administration (or a foreign one?) out there? Or is his name right under Gabbard’s in the contacts list?
I think the journalist just went by his initials as did a few other people in the chat, so it could be as dumb as just having someone with the same initials. Which is notably not how government systems work, for exactly the reason that you need to know exactly who you're communicating with and the system should make mistakes like this unlikely.
Obfuscating your identity makes sense of you're trying to talk to leakers or doing something shady and want to allow some deniability should the conversation be compromised. Which begs the question of why so many of them already had their Signal accounts set up that way.
I saw speculation about another person in the administration with the same initials. I think they work at the US Trade Representative (?).
Maybe it was Moldbug but Waltz can't type with his thumbs very well.
Thing is, they’re all fucking idiots.
Buttery males
Actually, I blame one single fucking idiot as well.
I blame approximately 77.3 million idiots
And 90 million lazy idiots too.
I always forget how low the bar for "average" is. But for the average person to realize how epically stupid Trump and his goons are takes things like this to happen.
What gets me more depressed is that nearly 4.1 billion people on earth are below average.
We are governed by goobers.
Sadly this is hardly enough either
100%. The entire time I was typing it, I thought, "events like this just expose the magnitude of the dark underbelly."
There is no passing the buck for matters of national security. The "party of law and order" should know that. They crucified Hillary for far less.
They will all get away with it, mark my words.
No argument here. They absolutely will.
"The buck stops here" - ?
They consider the sin not to be using unapproved services using an unapproved service, the sin is the guy who got them caught.
Every damn person on that chat was a giant fucking idiot and it's responsible for the data spill here with their collective agreement to use a non approved communication tool, taking about and continuing to talk about classified data on a unclassified environment, and then not self reporting they're were complete morons for violating security that a new hire would have known better than to do.
At least two senior aides have suggested that Waltz should resign to avoid putting Trump in the “bad position” of having to decide whether to fire him, Politicoreported.
Yeah, that’s it. How dare he do this to Dear Leader and The Cause.
How dare he make Leader have to lie away the US government risking national security and avoiding FOI.
If anyone is flying today maybe ask the NSA people left at the airport why you can’t carry butter if buttery emails make plane sounds. Or maybe let us know if the boot leather tastes a bit buttery, maybe that’s how they polish them.
I use this app. If I saw a new person added to a casual group chat, I'd ask about it. I'm not an idiot who sucks Trump's dick, though.
The trump regime is incompetent, evil, and rotten to the core.
The outlet also pointed out that Trump’s lack of social media posts suggested he was weighing his options.
He's having quiet time to reflect on the choices he's made or he's so senile that he can't think one thought at a time.
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