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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I considered myself a Libertarian for a few years. I was a disillusioned Republican during the George Bush days and Libertarianism really grew on me. I voted for Gary Johnson twice.
As I became more concerned about climate change, I could not see a viable Libertarian solution to it. Private business is more than happy to keep chugging away with fossil fuels until it's far too late.
For Libertarianism to work, these same private businesses need to do the right thing voluntarily. In Atlas Shrugged, those businessmen and women are doing what is right for their business and it just so happens to be what is right for everyone else, that isn't always the case. All too often, what is right for business goes against what is right for society. Once I realized this, everything unraveled for me.
So anyway, here I am, years later, voting for Democrats because I've got no other option as the GOP became more and more insane since I left.

[-] pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

Genuine question: why do you care about climate change if you would be dead by then?

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

Genuine question: why do you care about climate change if you would be dead by then?

Empathy, or caring about how other people are affected, even if it doesn't affect you personally. Empathy is normal and healthy.

Better question is, why are 60+yo Capitalists who already have more wealth than they could possibly spend before they die, so desperate to hold and collect even more wealth?

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[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

South Park guys too.

Politics so bad, you made the comedians who were mocking both sides in the 2000s apologize.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a big fan of P&T, this is a major win.

Not to mention the veganism which is also closely related to rejecting fascism.

https://vegnews.com/magician-penn-jillette-goes-vegan-for-the-animals

(Full disclosure: I saw an interview where Penn says he went vegan for health and weight loss. But maybe he's evolved to animal liberation as well.)

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Not to mention the veganism which is also closely related to rejecting fascism.

I mean...

Technically a vegan did shoot hitler in the head that lead to the end of WW2...

But that's a weird way to say hitler was a vegan.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Hitler wasn’t a vegan. He ate eggs and dairy products, according to his doctor.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Near the end of his life, Adolf Hitler (1889–1945) followed a vegetarian diet. It is not clear when or why he adopted it, since some accounts of his dietary habits prior to the Second World War indicate that he consumed meat as late as 1937. In 1938, Hitler's doctors put him on a meat-free diet, and his public image as a vegetarian was fostered; from 1942, he self-identified as a vegetarian.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

This does not contradict what I said? Vegetarians and vegans are not the same thing. Vegans do not eat eggs or dairy (or honey or any other product derived from animals). Vegetarians have no such restriction, they just don’t eat meat.

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[-] Hawanja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I mean, good. Because F libertarians.

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I got turned towards Libertanianism when I lived in Germany for a while and if you ever had you'd know why. Then I lived in Asia where it's the exact opposite and that turned me towards socialism. My point being is that there's definitely a golden mean to freedoms and any absolutist should be immediately ignored because they are objectively wrong.

[-] wieson@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago

I got turned towards Libertanianism when I lived in Germany for a while and if you ever had you'd know why.

Living in Germany rn. I don't get it? Can you please explain?

[-] Witziger_Waschbaer@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago

Not OP and couldn't see myself moving towards Libertarianism, but I can kinda see where OP is coming from. Germany does have a huge amount of regulations for almost everything. A lot of projects take far too long because there are so so many rules and laws to be considered. People working in administration got so used to that, that they tend to avoid responsibilities and hide behind rules and regulations (saying this as someone working in administration, trying to establish better digital processes, which tends to be quite frustrating). On an individual level, everything (except the Autobahn without its speed limit) is always made, so even the biggest idiot can't hurt himself. Sometimes that ruins the fun for everyone else...

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I'll take ruined fun over ruined lives.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Where do you draw the line? Because that's what it's about: how much risk is acceptable for efficiency, personal freedom, etc. The answer is obviously not "zero" or else we wouldn't have room for cars, construction, stairs, public beaches, the list goes on. Most of life is inherently or potentially dangerous, how much of that danger should be blocked by the state and how much left to the individual to manage?

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is no The Line, obviously. It's all decided on case-by-case basis, and decisions have to be made in context. The only thing you can do in advance is to answer the question "do you prefer momentary efficiency, or do you prefer safety" and then go from there.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It's not even about monetary efficiency. Ruined fun/ruined life. You said you were on the side of "ruined fun" but how much fun are we talking about? I assume you have some kind of stance because you joined the conversation.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I started to observe a pattern recently, when people on this platform refuse to read the text of the comment they're replying to. It leads to all kinds of bad faith arguments.
Don't be like that. Read the text, and engage with the text, not with what you imagined someone might say to you.

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