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I'm 100% positive that even if it included billions for a wall, being able to shoot migrants, and free teens for Geatz to rape it still would have been voted down. They want this shutdown.
Which is incredibly dumb.
Setting aside the damage to the economy and just looking at the politics of it:
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"Republicans hate our troops" is an easy attack. Enlisted service members tend to lean right, and stopping their pay (while still requiring them to work) is going to be a bad look. And all the Dems have to say is "hey look at what the Repubs did to our men and women in uniform." Easy win.
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It's obvious that the Republicans are at fault for the shutdown. And it's obvious that they're not going to get anywhere. They don't have the votes. When we come out of this with a stupid temporary budget, the Repubs will have won nothing and will look even more incompetent.
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It gives the Dems easy talking points, while being difficult to defend by the Repubs. Anyone but Trump would get wrecked in a debate with Biden over this. (Trump never says anything coherent, and no one expects him to, which is a huge benefit in a debate. You simply can't debate him effectively.)
Republicans are shooting themselves in the feet, and it's going to bite them in the ass in the general. It just sucks that this will have lasting repercussions on the economy and the strength of the dollar worldwide...
Republican base voters happily died of covid asphyxiation in the tens of thousands during Trump's administration. They do not know, they do not care.
They want this shutdown.
Those 20, and likely a few more, really do. It's insanity.
I think the fact the Trump is pretty close to the biblical definition of the antichrist is very attractive to a certain percentage of these ding-dongs. They feel they're doing God's work bringing about the end of days.
That's what I mean, 20% of Americans see that and say "Hallelujah! He's comin' round the mountain!!"
They think if the world ends that means Jesus will show up.
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I think McCarthy and the more moderate ones don't, they've been saying repeatedly that Republicans get the blame for shutdowns. Their far right caucus though is a bunch of fucking idiots and true believers.
I think McCarthy and the more moderate ones don’t
They clearly don't. They are obviously frustrated AF with their "colleagues" because they are increasingly calling them out publicly and by name which is something that I don't recall happening before. There's about 20ish clowns in the HoR that simply aren't going to be happy unless they manage to burn it all down.
McCarthy and his "moderates" could pass the budget (that he already agreed to) with Democratic support.
The only reason he isn't is because he would lose his speakership.
This is down to one person not willing make the sacrifice in order to prevent millions of people from suffering.
They want a shutdown, and they want a recession. Recessions are great for the 1%.
They don't care.
They won't learn.
Sit back and watch the world burn.
They also won't suffer, but a lot of innocent people will.
As polarization continues suffering increases. There are no adults at the wheel.
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These self-lauded masturbatory "patriots" are going to further tank the US credit rating and thereby the US dollar playing right into the hands of China and Russia pushing alternative global currency exchange options.
When all those dollars sold and otherwise happy to stay tied up in overseas transactions come home to roost, inflation will effect everyone of their billionaire donors, and everyone else, more than any economic policies they're getting funding to push domestically. It's stupid, short sighted and treasonous to leave the federal government unfunded.
There's no excuse. They need to do their damn jobs. Since they refuse, they all need to be voted out.
There's no excuse. They need to do their damn jobs. Since they refuse, they all need to be voted out.
But you're missing the truly important point - they often piss off liberals, and that's really all that matters to the R voting base
They won’t be voted out until they manage to do tremendous damage to their voters. Because they (the voters) don’t realize they are just collateral damage in a war that doesn’t include them.
This, to me, is the worst part.
Yeah, the shutdown itself sucks. Especially for government workers and contractors who get furloughed, and people reliant on this system.
But USD is starting to get some new competition in global trade with BRICS. Tanking our credit now is an especially dangerous game and it almost makes me wonder where the loyalties lie with some of these people and if this may, actually, be treason.
At this point, a shutdown is all but guaranteed
The question is now, how long until democrats come into play?
Oe better yet, who will be house speaker next week? I don't see McCarthy squeaking his way out of this.
Dems will make more noise publicly when a bill goes to the senate and is basically dead on arrival.
Could they even pass a quick DOA bill at this point? lol
That’s what’s comical. They can’t even align within their own party. People whose political careers benefit from stunts and trolling, vs people who fear this will hurt their elections. There are basically two GOPs fighting with each other.
I'm reminded of the whole debacle leading to McCarthy's Speakership, where a Democrat led the vote for Speaker of the House for like 20 votes in a row.
At some point it makes more sense to just... give it to the person who won the vote?
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Friday night fantasy: A few sane republicans caucus with the democrats, flip the house, replace McCarthy, pass a serviceable bill, then go back to their own party and ask the extremists if they’re done fucking around, or if more governance needs to happen this way.
I know. It will never happen. Even the sane republicans are spineless and care more about their aspirations than actually leading.
Highly doubtful. Too much of their party has taken a "my way or the highway" approach. They won't vote for anything unless it's their ideal budget -- not even a CR, but the actual budget. They think that if they remain stubborn enough, everyone will bow to them.
And to their credit, it does work wonderfully with spineless wimps like McCarthy, but not Democrats. This is what Republicans have sowed, and they are finally reaping it.
Trump wants a shutdown, and his lackeys in Congress are following along.
You mispelled Putin.
I'm sure Putin wants it also, but Trump wants it for selfish reasons. He wants the federal prosecutions against him dropped and he thinks that if the Republicans in Congress can hold the government for ransom for him long enough, the Democrats will be forced to agree to have all the charges dropped in exchange for the government reopening.
It's totally delusional, but since when has Trump been completely sane and knowledgeable about how government works?
I'm still lost as to why they need to be figuring out funding for the government till the last minute at all?
It creates chaos and forces concessions that look like compromise. Give up nothing and always take at least something. It's a long game and it's been going on for a long time and their isn't much left to give.
because to them its a bargaining chip.
If Dems don't cave and give them what they want, then people wont get their social security checks, Children wont get fed, etc etc.
Because they see the most vulnerable americans as worthless tokens to hold hostage.
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I bet McCarthy is sure glad that he sold his soul for the Speaker position...
McCarthy is such a fucking idiot.
While that is true I doubt there is a person alive who could get this done. NO ONE could possibly balance the ridiculous demands of the so called "Freedom Caucus" with those of the rest of the GoP, let alone the Democrats.
I still think the only way this gets resolved is by McCarthy and other Moderate Republicans working a budget deal with the House Democrats directly, breaking the FCs power to sink the deal. In the end all these FC idiots are going to do is force the budget to become far more bi-partisan and they are absolutely not going to like what ends up being passed.
Shouldn't be too hard to ignore the freedom caucus and reach across the aisle. The only thing it would cost him is the Speakership.
McCarthy and his "moderates" could pass the budget (that he already agreed to) with Democratic support.
The only reason he isn't is because he would lose his speakership.
This is down to one person not willing make the sacrifice in order to prevent millions of people from suffering.
Welp that's it guys. I guess we can't keep these people on the payroll any more. Lets fire them all and elect new ones.
Sir, you need to be an obscenely overpaid CEO before you can make that suggestion.
They don’t want to govern. You don’t negotiate or compromise with a party whose core premise is government shouldn’t have any power or function beyond persecuting specific people. The GOP is not a serious political party.
Wasn't this pretty much expected? The bill by McCarthy was just a show.
Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) confirmed to CNN that the House will try to pass a stopgap spending bill that will require Democratic votes.
When asked if he is concerned that a member, like Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), could move to oust him over this bill, McCarthy replied: “If I have to risk my job for standing up for American public, I will do that.”
It's supposed to be a clean CR.
Thing is it will probably take 45 days if McCarthy is discharged to sort out the speaker's chair,
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