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Dude must work in sales. That is an optimistic lead time.
And he already sold it to the customer without checking with product support of course
Oh my gods I feel this as someone who works in production.
And now its your fault that it won't arrive on time and the customer is pissed! They're on the phone now and want to hear from you why you couldn't hit your time line.
I worked at a place where it got so bad sales team refused to meet with us because they were pretty certain we were going to beat them up or something.
I don't think anyone actually threatened violence but there was certainly talk about keying their new flash cars.
You gotta laugh at customers who believe sales promises.
Yes hello, who is this?
Oh ok, yes.
Ah well you see, our salesman lied to you, Mr. Customer, he just says insane nonsense that bears no relation to reality in order to get you to give us money. That's his job. Anyway, when Mr. Salesman gave you a delivery date, he didn't tell us over here in product assembly about that until about 2 weeks ago, and it'll take us about 8 weeks to actually make your order quantity.
What's that? No, no problems here on the assembly line, we actually churned out 15% more widgets last quarter than the quarter before that, and we're on track for current quarter production numbers to also grow by 15%.
Yep, yep, sorry about that, and that's a good point, Mr. Salesman may have just added a 0 to those growth figures we reported to him when he was talking with you.
Of course! Thanks for doing business with us! I'll hand you back over to Mr. Salesman now.
...
Ahem.
Fuck sales.
This is what I would actually say, and this is why I apparently have 'poor interpersonal skills'.
My favorite saying: "There are two kinds of people you can never trust in this world - salesmen and politicians, and politicians are just salesmen selling that they should be in charge."
Engineering repeating the same thing over and over to sales. We don't care how easy you think it is, we've never done anything like this, we've got no experts or budget for new ones. So yeah its gonna take some time to figure stuff out. And yeah its gonna take actual resources accounting, don't think you're off the hook here
Yeah, this is absolutely delusional.
Even... if all the tariff insanity weren't going on, even if Trump had lost the election...
The answer to this question is right, if you add about an order of magnitude.
20 to 30 months, ie, about 1.5 to 2.5 years.
And that is arguably still an optimistic time frame, and just... waves away all the 'would it actually make sense to do this' considerations.
How fast can a Japanese company move work to America to reduce import expenses?
Counterpoint: to avoid tariffs, how fast can American companies move out of America?
It's probably quicker for this person to move to Japan tbh
Time to build a wall to keep the smugglers out
Companies aren't going to suddenly decide to spend a load of money to move production to the US without some certainty that the tariffs are going to last long enough for it to make financial sense.
There's a very good chance that Trump will cancel most tariffs this year and then declare that he's won somehow.
Even if Trump doesn't, he could die at any moment and Vance removes them.
Or the next administration removes them.
Yeah, They're not going to suddenly start spending. But they're going to plan a way to move offshores.
How do you think America lost manufacturing jobs in the first place?
Doesn't matter if it gets rolled back or not. We've seen this over and over again and the tariffs just make it even more attractive to move ship.
More likely, how fast can they shift their market priority to Europe?
Nintendo aren't going to move to America to get away from tariffs because they don't care. Their audience will buy the switch anyway, regardless of its price point and regardless of how much of that price point is affected by tariffs.
Also no company is going to move to America because of these tariffs because the Trump administration flip flops on an hourly basis. Who knows what policy will be next month let alone in 4 years time.
Even if they moved the factory into the US, wouldn't they still need to import all the parts, and get hit by tariffs on those parts anyway? Like, the whole supply chain would have to move into the US. That could be a decade worth of effort.
Man, Nintendo literally only recently finally integrated the ability to use voice chat into their system, after almost everyone else has been doing it for 15 years or so at this point.
And you think they can move everything in 2 to 3 months???
Is 2 to 3 months too little or too much?!?! - MAGA supporter
Xbox had voice chat back in 2002. 23 years ago.
Well there you go!
2-3 months is enough time to form a committee and establish the metrics that an acceptable plan would have to meet.
Sorry your plan failed at form a committee.
You forgot to form a committee to decide who's on the committee.
This is Japan we're talking about. I believe they require multiple late-night "socializing" meetings to figure out exactly what's going to happen. Then they just have a series of meetings to formalize what they decided on beforehand.
Then they gotta print and fax all the documents from those meetings for record keeping.
Yeah but is it safe just to form a committee to decide who's on a committee or does that require some discussion?
You make a good point, let's hold a public hearing to discuss the topic. We will off course need to assemble a task force to organize the meeting.
Even if Nintendo moved final assembly to the US (which they won't), they'd still likely need to import the components they don't manufacture themselves like the screen, battery, memory chips, SoC and what not, which then again would be tarrifed.
Tarriffic!
One r two fs
tarfifed*
Screen? China
Battery? Korea
Memory? China
No tariffs between China and Japan
Nintendo moving production to USA in 2-3 months? Only by USA invading Japan and adding it as 51st state lol
Not even that, the processor, electrical components. Maybe the screen? All sourced globally. Like a big spider web.
Even if they drop billions to tape the chip out again, and move to Intel (heh), the chip production isn’t movable even in a decade. Intel's fabs are all over the planet.
Way cheaper to just eat the tax and mark the Switch 2 up 50% in the US, then let the smugglers do their thing.
You forgot one crucial step:
Renaming Japan to "New Ohio."
Ladies and gentlemen, I present your average american.
I could get it done tomorrow
Elect me and I'll do it in 24h.
I'd prefer you spend the first 24 hours on peace in Ukraine or Gaza. Maybe save this for day 2?
So you're the one that outbids me in all my proposals.
Building a basic factory is up to 2 years, depending on size, then you have to recruit all kinds of workers, many of which might not be readily available in a short notice of time, and might require college education. Manufacturing isn't just driving in the screws on an iPhone (which is more like glued together).
This is all assuming they'll use all US components, which are available, and at least higher-end US made capacitors are on the same level as their Japanese counterparts. The issue would be scope. Don't know what happened to that TSMC factory after Trump axing the CHIPS act. However, that "all American" Nintendo Switch 2 would cost a small fortune, and would be needed to be made much longer lasting that otherwise, since it's now incompatible with the notion of cheap and short lived products, which those on the top wouldn't approve.
by the way this section of the warehouse is now an american embassy, and therefore the product is finished on american soil thanks
Nice hack, but the ttarrriffffs would still apply to the subassemblies being moved into that section.
That guy knows nothing.
They wouldn't finish contracting in 2-3 months lol
Contracting of your new flagship would be more like 6-12 mo, right?
Then there's the setup time, which is easily another year or two.
I'm no expert in the manufacturing field, so tell me if I'm wrong.
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